Comments on: Building Bridges http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=building-bridges it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12653 Dave Askins Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:25:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12653 mr. dairy asks: “Does the Chronicle have a policy prohibiting Op ed pieces by elected officials?”

We do not have such a policy. Op-ed pieces submitted by elected officials are reviewed for possible publication without regard their elected status. That is to say, we are neither more inclined nor less inclined to publish an op-ed piece based on the fact that the writer is an elected official.

One of the considerations given to a submission by any writer is this: Does the community’s interest in the content outweigh the writer’s possible self-interest in writing? Are there writers with competing interests to whom we should think about extending an invitation to write something on the same topic?

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12380 Steve Bean Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:27:57 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12380 I finally realized what the distinction is that I’ve been looking for. It’s between “dangerousness” and “greater risk”. The bridge (bridges, really) isn’t dangerous, though there are slightly greater risks involved in driving over or under it.

If it were truly dangerous I’m certain that responsible people like those who have commented here would be doing something to get it closed immediately in order to protect the public, including themselves and their children.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12319 Vivienne Armentrout Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:13:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12319 For now, I’m finding ways to avoid using this bridge. Hint: using Packard to go E/W by picking it up via any number of cross-streets gets you to Stadium on the other side of the bridge, if traveling E. If connecting with S. Industrial, use Park/Golden, both accessible at the intersection with Stadium on the E side of the bridge.

Its dangerous condition doesn’t appear controversial to me.

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12317 Steve Bean Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:05:49 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12317 “So Steve, what is your agenda for bridge safety?”

I don’t have one.

If we don’t agree that your perception of the situation (overly narrow lanes, high number of inexperienced drivers more likely to have some kind of collision, dangerous merge) matches reality–and we don’t, then I doubt that we’ll be able to agree on any of those other questions, Fred.

I like Ed’s approach of looking for ways that might quickly and easily improve the current situation in this particular location. Improving the traffic flow might also increase the perceived safety of the roadway over the bridges.

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By: Edward Vielmetti http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12308 Edward Vielmetti Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:29:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12308 There are additional things that could be done to make traffic flow better at that intersection. S. Industrial has two lanes turning left onto westbound Stadium at that intersection, and if the middle lane of that intersection were blocked off there would be less confusion as cars would not have to merge before the bridge.

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12305 Fred Zimmerman Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:46:02 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12305 Steve, all of us are perfectly entitled to observe others’ social behavior, draw inferences from it, and comment. We are all wired to be social beings. That’s what this is all about: we’re chimps with computers!

So I stand by my social assessment that many people on this board (including you, and certainly myself) tend to minimize concerns that don’t fit with their views–and we do so more often when the concerns don’t fit with our agenda.

the rhetorical device of asking probing questions about need comes up a lot here and at arborupdate, and while I understand the appeal of carrying out that sort of analysis, sometimes it is just silly. I don’t need to do a big study, and you don’t really need to ask probing questions, to be pretty darned confident that overly narrow merging lanes and a high number of student and inexperienced drivers are going to correlate well with an increased rate of accidents.

(Fortunately, they are likely to be less minor, as this is sort of like a straight-line roundabout, which drastically reduces fatalities because of reducing t-bone acccidents).

So Steve, what is your agenda for bridge safety? Can we agree that all bridges in the city should be brought up to an independent standard of bridge and traffic safety? Can we agree on a schedule that correlates levels of impairment with maximum time until a fix?

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12294 Steve Bean Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:12:37 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12294 “Why don’t you just come out and say that you don’t want to spend any money on improving things for drivers and big cars?”

Because that wouldn’t be true. Or pertinent. This isn’t about personal preferences, it’s about public policy. Do you agree?

“I don’t have a problem with that view, it’s perfectly logical given your premises — but I don’t like it when you and others reflexively minimize obviously legitimate concerns because of your broader agenda.”

Please don’t misrepresent my comments or presume to know my reasons for them. If you want to know something about them, please ask, and I’ll give an honest answer. But feel free to not like it. :-)

This all started with the safety of the bridge structure being called into question. I just asked if it is true that the bridge is unsafe. Is it really, or does it just feel that way?

If you truly believe that the lanes are too narrow, Fred, to the point that they’re unsafe, I suggest that you communicate that directly to someone who can do something about it. They may ask the same questions, though, “How is it unsafe? What’s the evidence?”, which is why I posed it here.

Kris, there is a plan to implement fixes. What’s behind the multiple exclamation points? What is it that you’re angry about or fear might happen?

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12289 Fred Zimmerman Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:50:28 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12289 Steve: it’s pretty damn obvious to any thinking person that the lanes on the bridge even before the signage were too narrow and inconsistent with current car sizes. Why don’t you just come out and say that you don’t want to spend any money on improving things for drivers and big cars?

I don’t have a problem with that view, it’s perfectly logical given your premises — but I don’t like it when you and others reflexively minimize obviously legitimate concerns because of your broader agenda. You’re not going to get anywhere selling sustainability that way.

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By: Bob Dively http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12287 Bob Dively Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:20:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12287 The West Stadium/Pauline intersection is scheduled to be reconstructed this summer. In the summer of 2010 the plan is to extend the reconstruction of West Stadium all the way to S. Seventh. (Notice that I wrote “reconstructed” not “repaved”. There’s a big difference.)

Details

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By: Kris http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/02/building-bridges/comment-page-1/#comment-12282 Kris Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:53:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=15231#comment-12282 I can’t believe the attitude of “let it crumble until someone else pays for it” while A2 is having millage dollars sitting in a bank account! It is obvious from the condition of the roads around Ann Arbor (Stadium at Pauline and Miller from Maple to Downtown) that Ann Arbor has no interest in spending the millage dollars on the upkeep required to keep our infrastructure from failing!!!

People need to realize that concrete beams do not deflect permanently in normal operation, this is a sign of failure. The fact that it’s being tracked will simply help to tell us how fast the failure is progressing. Having to narrow a major artery without a plan to implement fixes is a joke.

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