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	<description>it&#039;s like being there</description>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-14350</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be goofy today, I meant aata.org in my previous comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be goofy today, I meant aata.org in my previous comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-14349</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ain&#039;t it great the icon used on http://aadl.org to announce this is a rubber stamp?

Some folks don&#039;t get it. It being public relations. 

-A-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ain&#8217;t it great the icon used on <a href="http://aadl.org" rel="nofollow">http://aadl.org</a> to announce this is a rubber stamp?</p>
<p>Some folks don&#8217;t get it. It being public relations. </p>
<p>-A-</p>
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		<title>By: Feat of Clay</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-14305</link>
		<dc:creator>Feat of Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak to the other &quot;protected classes&quot; but U-M faculty and staff pay &quot;nothing&quot; because the University pays for them.  AATA gets something like $750,000 from the U for this arrangement.  This increase in ridership has brought significant benefits, such as added routes, more frequent service, and a level of ridership that newly qualifies AATA for federal grants.   I thought this was a win-win for both parties, except this is the second time in a few months that I have heard people claim that this is some kind of free arrangement!  It is not.  

I believe they had done some ridership calculations, but it&#039;s only recently that they changed the system so that U-M affiliates had to swipe their ID (not just flash it).  This will allow for a better accounting of how many rides are used.  The calculation of &quot;profit&quot; might not be as straightforward as counting rides, however, since as I noted above the AATA qualifies for additional funding with the arrangement, and probably would not without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak to the other &#8220;protected classes&#8221; but U-M faculty and staff pay &#8220;nothing&#8221; because the University pays for them.  AATA gets something like $750,000 from the U for this arrangement.  This increase in ridership has brought significant benefits, such as added routes, more frequent service, and a level of ridership that newly qualifies AATA for federal grants.   I thought this was a win-win for both parties, except this is the second time in a few months that I have heard people claim that this is some kind of free arrangement!  It is not.  </p>
<p>I believe they had done some ridership calculations, but it&#8217;s only recently that they changed the system so that U-M affiliates had to swipe their ID (not just flash it).  This will allow for a better accounting of how many rides are used.  The calculation of &#8220;profit&#8221; might not be as straightforward as counting rides, however, since as I noted above the AATA qualifies for additional funding with the arrangement, and probably would not without it.</p>
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		<title>By: my two cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>my two cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be incorrect in my assumption, but I thought that the lump sum fee that UofM pays actually keeps the system a float.  Without their large payment, the system is not sustainable without a much larger subsidy from the city.

Has anyone actually calculated how many rides UofM has actually purchased and how many are actually used?  I believe that AATA makes a profit from this arrangement, but I could be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be incorrect in my assumption, but I thought that the lump sum fee that UofM pays actually keeps the system a float.  Without their large payment, the system is not sustainable without a much larger subsidy from the city.</p>
<p>Has anyone actually calculated how many rides UofM has actually purchased and how many are actually used?  I believe that AATA makes a profit from this arrangement, but I could be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Gui Aicinena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gui Aicinena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a regular, non-discounted user of AATA&#039;s services, I sincerely believe that anyone administering or voting on the system should be required by law to use the system at their own full-fare expense for their daily commute, at least one month each year.

I would wager that *none* of those who have been making decisions about the system actually rely on (or even use at all) the services they impact.

I must also say that although I am well-educated and understand the difficulties of administering a public transit system, I remain agitated about the fare increases. On any given bus trip, I watch the fare meter and see that less than 1 in 10 riders pay full fare, with less than 3 in 10 paying *anything at all*. Yes, someone theoretically pays their fare, but *they* don&#039;t. 

It makes one feel quite disenfranchised to live somewhere where belonging to a large protected class (U of M students, staff, instructors, WCC students, staff, instructors, employees of most large downtown area businesses, etc.) pay nothing to use the system, while another protected class (seniors, public school students, non-ADA disabled [whatever that means]) pay 1/4 of what &quot;normal&quot; citizens have to.

If part of AATA&#039;s mandate is to encourage individual conversion to public transit, I would say their results are mixed at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a regular, non-discounted user of AATA&#8217;s services, I sincerely believe that anyone administering or voting on the system should be required by law to use the system at their own full-fare expense for their daily commute, at least one month each year.</p>
<p>I would wager that *none* of those who have been making decisions about the system actually rely on (or even use at all) the services they impact.</p>
<p>I must also say that although I am well-educated and understand the difficulties of administering a public transit system, I remain agitated about the fare increases. On any given bus trip, I watch the fare meter and see that less than 1 in 10 riders pay full fare, with less than 3 in 10 paying *anything at all*. Yes, someone theoretically pays their fare, but *they* don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>It makes one feel quite disenfranchised to live somewhere where belonging to a large protected class (U of M students, staff, instructors, WCC students, staff, instructors, employees of most large downtown area businesses, etc.) pay nothing to use the system, while another protected class (seniors, public school students, non-ADA disabled [whatever that means]) pay 1/4 of what &#8220;normal&#8221; citizens have to.</p>
<p>If part of AATA&#8217;s mandate is to encourage individual conversion to public transit, I would say their results are mixed at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 05:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also learned at the 2nd session on fare changes hosted by Stasiak and Webb, that the fares for the para-transit service are limited (by the state statute that requires the service) to a maximum of twice the standard fixed-route fare. So that&#039;s why they&#039;re scheduled to increase as they are in the approved resolution.

Re: the rationale for the rate increases,

&quot;(i) comparison to peer organizations showed that AATA’s fares were low&quot;

That&#039;s an observation. For it to be a justification for change it would need to be placed in some broader context. [See (iii) below.]

&quot;(ii) there had not been any fare increase in a long time&quot;

Ditto.

&quot;(iii) without a fare increase, a structural deficit was projected.&quot;

That would be more accurately stated as &quot;at current fares, projected ridership and funding levels, and projected operating expenses, a structural deficit is projected.&quot; Lacking further information, I think the committee may well have jumped to a conclusion, which the board then followed. That&#039;s not to say that fare increases aren&#039;t the best alternative, just that other alternatives need to be explored before that could possibly be determined.

(The approach used for the underground parking structure downtown was of that sort: decide on a &quot;solution&quot; and then focus considerations, including public input, primarily on its scale.)

&quot;For a &#039;not poor, but not comfortably middle-class family who relies on transit day-in-and-day out,”&#039; Nacht said, &#039;we’re talking about placing a substantial burden on a lot of families by increasing the fares this much.&#039; But Nacht continued, &#039;We offset this with a large number of reduced fares.&#039;&quot;

The offset would accrue to the system, not to the individuals affected. This isn&#039;t a logical reason to support the standard fare increase.

Finally, the projected impact of the changes include a 5-10% decrease in ridership. While that&#039;s just a projection it&#039;s arguably sufficient reason alone to have rejected the proposal.

I won&#039;t repeat my comments regarding the illogical reduced rate for seniors, made on the previous Chronicle article for which Dave provided the link.

I hope the new director is able to provide better leadership on this sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also learned at the 2nd session on fare changes hosted by Stasiak and Webb, that the fares for the para-transit service are limited (by the state statute that requires the service) to a maximum of twice the standard fixed-route fare. So that&#8217;s why they&#8217;re scheduled to increase as they are in the approved resolution.</p>
<p>Re: the rationale for the rate increases,</p>
<p>&#8220;(i) comparison to peer organizations showed that AATA’s fares were low&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an observation. For it to be a justification for change it would need to be placed in some broader context. [See (iii) below.]</p>
<p>&#8220;(ii) there had not been any fare increase in a long time&#8221;</p>
<p>Ditto.</p>
<p>&#8220;(iii) without a fare increase, a structural deficit was projected.&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be more accurately stated as &#8220;at current fares, projected ridership and funding levels, and projected operating expenses, a structural deficit is projected.&#8221; Lacking further information, I think the committee may well have jumped to a conclusion, which the board then followed. That&#8217;s not to say that fare increases aren&#8217;t the best alternative, just that other alternatives need to be explored before that could possibly be determined.</p>
<p>(The approach used for the underground parking structure downtown was of that sort: decide on a &#8220;solution&#8221; and then focus considerations, including public input, primarily on its scale.)</p>
<p>&#8220;For a &#8216;not poor, but not comfortably middle-class family who relies on transit day-in-and-day out,”&#8217; Nacht said, &#8216;we’re talking about placing a substantial burden on a lot of families by increasing the fares this much.&#8217; But Nacht continued, &#8216;We offset this with a large number of reduced fares.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>The offset would accrue to the system, not to the individuals affected. This isn&#8217;t a logical reason to support the standard fare increase.</p>
<p>Finally, the projected impact of the changes include a 5-10% decrease in ridership. While that&#8217;s just a projection it&#8217;s arguably sufficient reason alone to have rejected the proposal.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t repeat my comments regarding the illogical reduced rate for seniors, made on the previous Chronicle article for which Dave provided the link.</p>
<p>I hope the new director is able to provide better leadership on this sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Askins</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-13957</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Askins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: [1] Thanks, Steve, for filling a gap that I was not able to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: [1] Thanks, Steve, for filling a gap that I was not able to.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bean</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-13956</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was probably Richard Carlisle of the 208 Group that Nacht was not quite remembering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was probably Richard Carlisle of the 208 Group that Nacht was not quite remembering.</p>
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