Comments on: Bus Fares Will Increase http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=bus-fares-will-increase it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Alan http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-14350 Alan Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:38:43 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=16573#comment-14350 I must be goofy today, I meant aata.org in my previous comment.

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By: Alan http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-14349 Alan Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:37:55 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=16573#comment-14349 Ain’t it great the icon used on http://aadl.org to announce this is a rubber stamp?

Some folks don’t get it. It being public relations.

-A-

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By: Feat of Clay http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-14305 Feat of Clay Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:51:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=16573#comment-14305 I can’t speak to the other “protected classes” but U-M faculty and staff pay “nothing” because the University pays for them. AATA gets something like $750,000 from the U for this arrangement. This increase in ridership has brought significant benefits, such as added routes, more frequent service, and a level of ridership that newly qualifies AATA for federal grants. I thought this was a win-win for both parties, except this is the second time in a few months that I have heard people claim that this is some kind of free arrangement! It is not.

I believe they had done some ridership calculations, but it’s only recently that they changed the system so that U-M affiliates had to swipe their ID (not just flash it). This will allow for a better accounting of how many rides are used. The calculation of “profit” might not be as straightforward as counting rides, however, since as I noted above the AATA qualifies for additional funding with the arrangement, and probably would not without it.

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By: my two cents http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-14195 my two cents Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:49:35 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=16573#comment-14195 I may be incorrect in my assumption, but I thought that the lump sum fee that UofM pays actually keeps the system a float. Without their large payment, the system is not sustainable without a much larger subsidy from the city.

Has anyone actually calculated how many rides UofM has actually purchased and how many are actually used? I believe that AATA makes a profit from this arrangement, but I could be wrong.

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By: Gui Aicinena http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-14119 Gui Aicinena Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:12:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=16573#comment-14119 As a regular, non-discounted user of AATA’s services, I sincerely believe that anyone administering or voting on the system should be required by law to use the system at their own full-fare expense for their daily commute, at least one month each year.

I would wager that *none* of those who have been making decisions about the system actually rely on (or even use at all) the services they impact.

I must also say that although I am well-educated and understand the difficulties of administering a public transit system, I remain agitated about the fare increases. On any given bus trip, I watch the fare meter and see that less than 1 in 10 riders pay full fare, with less than 3 in 10 paying *anything at all*. Yes, someone theoretically pays their fare, but *they* don’t.

It makes one feel quite disenfranchised to live somewhere where belonging to a large protected class (U of M students, staff, instructors, WCC students, staff, instructors, employees of most large downtown area businesses, etc.) pay nothing to use the system, while another protected class (seniors, public school students, non-ADA disabled [whatever that means]) pay 1/4 of what “normal” citizens have to.

If part of AATA’s mandate is to encourage individual conversion to public transit, I would say their results are mixed at best.

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-13964 Steve Bean Fri, 20 Mar 2009 05:30:52 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=16573#comment-13964 I also learned at the 2nd session on fare changes hosted by Stasiak and Webb, that the fares for the para-transit service are limited (by the state statute that requires the service) to a maximum of twice the standard fixed-route fare. So that’s why they’re scheduled to increase as they are in the approved resolution.

Re: the rationale for the rate increases,

“(i) comparison to peer organizations showed that AATA’s fares were low”

That’s an observation. For it to be a justification for change it would need to be placed in some broader context. [See (iii) below.]

“(ii) there had not been any fare increase in a long time”

Ditto.

“(iii) without a fare increase, a structural deficit was projected.”

That would be more accurately stated as “at current fares, projected ridership and funding levels, and projected operating expenses, a structural deficit is projected.” Lacking further information, I think the committee may well have jumped to a conclusion, which the board then followed. That’s not to say that fare increases aren’t the best alternative, just that other alternatives need to be explored before that could possibly be determined.

(The approach used for the underground parking structure downtown was of that sort: decide on a “solution” and then focus considerations, including public input, primarily on its scale.)

“For a ‘not poor, but not comfortably middle-class family who relies on transit day-in-and-day out,”’ Nacht said, ‘we’re talking about placing a substantial burden on a lot of families by increasing the fares this much.’ But Nacht continued, ‘We offset this with a large number of reduced fares.’”

The offset would accrue to the system, not to the individuals affected. This isn’t a logical reason to support the standard fare increase.

Finally, the projected impact of the changes include a 5-10% decrease in ridership. While that’s just a projection it’s arguably sufficient reason alone to have rejected the proposal.

I won’t repeat my comments regarding the illogical reduced rate for seniors, made on the previous Chronicle article for which Dave provided the link.

I hope the new director is able to provide better leadership on this sort of thing.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-13957 Dave Askins Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:58:10 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=16573#comment-13957 Re: [1] Thanks, Steve, for filling a gap that I was not able to.

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/19/bus-fares-will-increase/comment-page-1/#comment-13956 Steve Bean Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:52:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=16573#comment-13956 That was probably Richard Carlisle of the 208 Group that Nacht was not quite remembering.

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