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		<title>By: Steve Bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much for your comment, Peter. I&#039;d be very interested in hearing from you and others how you think such improvements might be accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for your comment, Peter. I&#8217;d be very interested in hearing from you and others how you think such improvements might be accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Zetlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Zetlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. It captures the feel of the review board very well. 

When I appealed last year, I got a substantial reduction in my 2008 assessment. I bought the house in 2007, so the appeal lowered the taxable value to the market value, which was well below the 2007 assessed value.

Great! I saved a lot on taxes for 2008 and was looking forward to saving thousands over the years I would live here.

What I didn&#039;t know was that the appeal would be disallowed by the assessor the following year. For 2009, my assessment rose by more than 10%, despite lower assessments for the rest of the neighborhood. My property declined in value the same as the rest of my neighbors, but because individual properties are not assessed, my assessment rose substantially above the legally established value.

Well, that&#039;s taxes, right? The problem is it&#039;s nearly impossible to find out the rules. Before buying, and as I was looking at various houses, I wanted to have an idea of how much I would be spending over the years on taxes, based on how much I paid for the house. In order to learn the regulations, I did the following:

Contacted colleagues who&#039;ve owned homes in Ann Arbor for years. Not one person had a good understanding of property tax law or the process used by the city assessor--and these were well educated folks.

Asked my real estate agent from Surovell Realtors. He didn&#039;t understand the law or the appraisal process. When he went to Surovell&#039;s legal staff for an explanation, they didn&#039;t know either. 

I consulted a real estate attorney. He was not aware that a decision of the Local Board of Review could be reversed and set aside by the city assessor.

Checked the city web site. It does mention the city uses mass appraisals, but that didn&#039;t translate into an understanding for me that this would largely invalidate the benefit of appealing. 

Met with with the city assessor, Mr. Petrak. He encouraged me to appeal, but didn&#039;t mention that my appeal would be overturned the following tax year. He also didn&#039;t tell me of the virtual certainty that even though all the properties in my neighborhood would likely have reduced assessments in 2009 due to the falling housing market, that my own property value would be increased more than 10%.

My take after all this was while you do have a legal right to have your property assessed at market value, the city&#039;s lack of transparency combined with complex state laws made it an unpleasant and difficult task that might be worth it for the wealthy who own high value homes and hopefully have better lawyers than the one I talked to, but perhaps not too useful for me.

Although I have a strong case for the review board, I skipped it this year. I did complain to the city council about the poor atmosphere created by the process. Why not make it transparent and easy to understand? 

At a minimum, the city could explain that an appeal has little value for many taxpayers. The Michigan Constitution says that assessments should be close to fair market value. Our elected officials ought to support the voters and help people enjoy their legal rights rather than oversee a process which compels them them to appeal every year. Let&#039;s hope the city improves the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. It captures the feel of the review board very well. </p>
<p>When I appealed last year, I got a substantial reduction in my 2008 assessment. I bought the house in 2007, so the appeal lowered the taxable value to the market value, which was well below the 2007 assessed value.</p>
<p>Great! I saved a lot on taxes for 2008 and was looking forward to saving thousands over the years I would live here.</p>
<p>What I didn&#8217;t know was that the appeal would be disallowed by the assessor the following year. For 2009, my assessment rose by more than 10%, despite lower assessments for the rest of the neighborhood. My property declined in value the same as the rest of my neighbors, but because individual properties are not assessed, my assessment rose substantially above the legally established value.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s taxes, right? The problem is it&#8217;s nearly impossible to find out the rules. Before buying, and as I was looking at various houses, I wanted to have an idea of how much I would be spending over the years on taxes, based on how much I paid for the house. In order to learn the regulations, I did the following:</p>
<p>Contacted colleagues who&#8217;ve owned homes in Ann Arbor for years. Not one person had a good understanding of property tax law or the process used by the city assessor&#8211;and these were well educated folks.</p>
<p>Asked my real estate agent from Surovell Realtors. He didn&#8217;t understand the law or the appraisal process. When he went to Surovell&#8217;s legal staff for an explanation, they didn&#8217;t know either. </p>
<p>I consulted a real estate attorney. He was not aware that a decision of the Local Board of Review could be reversed and set aside by the city assessor.</p>
<p>Checked the city web site. It does mention the city uses mass appraisals, but that didn&#8217;t translate into an understanding for me that this would largely invalidate the benefit of appealing. </p>
<p>Met with with the city assessor, Mr. Petrak. He encouraged me to appeal, but didn&#8217;t mention that my appeal would be overturned the following tax year. He also didn&#8217;t tell me of the virtual certainty that even though all the properties in my neighborhood would likely have reduced assessments in 2009 due to the falling housing market, that my own property value would be increased more than 10%.</p>
<p>My take after all this was while you do have a legal right to have your property assessed at market value, the city&#8217;s lack of transparency combined with complex state laws made it an unpleasant and difficult task that might be worth it for the wealthy who own high value homes and hopefully have better lawyers than the one I talked to, but perhaps not too useful for me.</p>
<p>Although I have a strong case for the review board, I skipped it this year. I did complain to the city council about the poor atmosphere created by the process. Why not make it transparent and easy to understand? </p>
<p>At a minimum, the city could explain that an appeal has little value for many taxpayers. The Michigan Constitution says that assessments should be close to fair market value. Our elected officials ought to support the voters and help people enjoy their legal rights rather than oversee a process which compels them them to appeal every year. Let&#8217;s hope the city improves the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hampel</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/21/lower-my-property-assessment-please/comment-page-1/#comment-14217</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Hampel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that landlord: &quot;He hadn’t brought any documentation to support his request .... &#039;I&#039;m, so tired of this – the taxes, the permits. Please do whatever you can do.&#039;&quot;

&quot;Please do something for me for nothing!&quot; Yeah right, buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that landlord: &#8220;He hadn’t brought any documentation to support his request &#8230;. &#8216;I&#8217;m, so tired of this – the taxes, the permits. Please do whatever you can do.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Please do something for me for nothing!&#8221; Yeah right, buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Diane Feldt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Diane Feldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure a &quot;discount on taxes&quot; is a phrase I&#039;m comfortable with. Taxes are rarely fair. Or evenhanded. Proposal A offered some protection for soaring values, which actually was no real value increase to those of us who bought and stayed put. I bought my house for under $60,000 and have certainly seen the value increase about 6 fold, and now it is dropping steeply. But it is only virtual value - I want to stay in my house. Proposal A has been profoundly helpful in keeping costs reasonable. Am I entitled to protection against speculators and crazy trends in home pricing, or people overpricing the houses around me? I&#039;d say yes, to some degree. My taxes haven&#039;t gone down, they increase EVERY year. They went up this year and will continue to do so for a long time to come even if property values drop. 
Sales taxes, property taxes, income taxes, all hit people in different circumstances differently. It isn&#039;t a fair system. I make out well having a house I&#039;ve lived in for 25 years. I suffer deeply by paying social security self employment tax. And in other areas as well I could say I&#039;m &quot;penalized&quot;. That&#039;s life.

Meanwhile, having protection against real estate inflation has helped me be self employed, enjoy my home, and contribute to my community in the process. I&#039;m grateful. Especially in past years when paying the taxes - lower as they were - was a stretch.


It is an imperfect system. Good luck to those trying to make sense of it, and finding a fair resolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure a &#8220;discount on taxes&#8221; is a phrase I&#8217;m comfortable with. Taxes are rarely fair. Or evenhanded. Proposal A offered some protection for soaring values, which actually was no real value increase to those of us who bought and stayed put. I bought my house for under $60,000 and have certainly seen the value increase about 6 fold, and now it is dropping steeply. But it is only virtual value &#8211; I want to stay in my house. Proposal A has been profoundly helpful in keeping costs reasonable. Am I entitled to protection against speculators and crazy trends in home pricing, or people overpricing the houses around me? I&#8217;d say yes, to some degree. My taxes haven&#8217;t gone down, they increase EVERY year. They went up this year and will continue to do so for a long time to come even if property values drop.<br />
Sales taxes, property taxes, income taxes, all hit people in different circumstances differently. It isn&#8217;t a fair system. I make out well having a house I&#8217;ve lived in for 25 years. I suffer deeply by paying social security self employment tax. And in other areas as well I could say I&#8217;m &#8220;penalized&#8221;. That&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, having protection against real estate inflation has helped me be self employed, enjoy my home, and contribute to my community in the process. I&#8217;m grateful. Especially in past years when paying the taxes &#8211; lower as they were &#8211; was a stretch.</p>
<p>It is an imperfect system. Good luck to those trying to make sense of it, and finding a fair resolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivienne Armentrout</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/03/21/lower-my-property-assessment-please/comment-page-1/#comment-14202</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivienne Armentrout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MTC is correct, and another point is that recent purchasers actually have a chance to reduce their taxes, since the assessed value might actually drop below the current taxable value.  A silver lining to the statement &quot;your house isn&#039;t worth what you paid for it&quot;.

You gotta admire the heavy lifting the Board of Review members have to do this time of year.  Don&#039;t forget, these folks are volunteers doing a community service. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MTC is correct, and another point is that recent purchasers actually have a chance to reduce their taxes, since the assessed value might actually drop below the current taxable value.  A silver lining to the statement &#8220;your house isn&#8217;t worth what you paid for it&#8221;.</p>
<p>You gotta admire the heavy lifting the Board of Review members have to do this time of year.  Don&#8217;t forget, these folks are volunteers doing a community service. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: my two cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>my two cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What many people need to realize is that those who have lived in their houses for a long time have been getting a discount on their property taxes.  

Those of us who have purchased a house in the past few years have been paying more in property tax (the actual current rate) than our neighbors, even though our houses are worth the same amount.  In fact it was sort of a punishment for moving; yet the real estate market was still booming.

Now that the real estate market has turned, long time homeowners are getting less of a discount; they are not paying more than they should be.

This is a different, but I feel accurate way, of looking at this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What many people need to realize is that those who have lived in their houses for a long time have been getting a discount on their property taxes.  </p>
<p>Those of us who have purchased a house in the past few years have been paying more in property tax (the actual current rate) than our neighbors, even though our houses are worth the same amount.  In fact it was sort of a punishment for moving; yet the real estate market was still booming.</p>
<p>Now that the real estate market has turned, long time homeowners are getting less of a discount; they are not paying more than they should be.</p>
<p>This is a different, but I feel accurate way, of looking at this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: MO</title>
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		<dc:creator>MO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the home owners to challenge their taxes. There is generally a short designated period of time to present your case. Contact your area tax department and find out the specifics and then build your case by examining the local tax records to identify information that supports your position. 

You can get a current appraisal on your property and if it appraises for less then take it to the tax dept. in your county and they should lower your taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the home owners to challenge their taxes. There is generally a short designated period of time to present your case. Contact your area tax department and find out the specifics and then build your case by examining the local tax records to identify information that supports your position. </p>
<p>You can get a current appraisal on your property and if it appraises for less then take it to the tax dept. in your county and they should lower your taxes.</p>
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