Comments on: Drain Disconnect Time for Homeowners http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17397 Alan Goldsmith Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:29:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17397 From the arrogance of the Art Commission, the way the sump pump program has been rolled out, to the way the Stadium Bridges issue has been addressed, you can’t help but love the world class quality of the attitude some local politicians and several city employees have displayed. I was fine with the sidewalk program, I was just addressing the issue of finding a ‘city approved’ contactor–few wanted to deal with small jobs of two or three slabs. I’m guessing the sump pump contractor process won’t be much improved either. We’ll see. And the ‘team’ that actually did the marking and determination of what needed to be replaced showed a lack of quality control, to be polite.

And of course our 4th Ward Council reps weren’t at the Lawton Q & A session either. Surprise.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17340 Vivienne Armentrout Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:27:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17340 And I don’t think the Bolt decision has anything to do with this issue. It was the way the City chose to deal with a regulatory issue.

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17316 Steve Bean Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:45:08 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17316 “EVERY home in town is getting a sump pump…”

Not true. The 5th paragraph notes the construction date cutoff for houses affected. I think the program also doesn’t apply to much older houses that don’t have footing drains, but the article doesn’t address that.

“I love arrogance too.”

Apparently so. “Physician, heal thyself.”

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By: Dusty Lake http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17315 Dusty Lake Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:43:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17315 At the risk of repeating myself. The program worked well for us and our neighborhood.

Everyone HAS to get a sump pump because under the “Bolt” decision it is regarded as a benefit so everyone needs to benefit if some do. As for the downspout disconnect, even if you have never been flooded, your home could be contributing to flooding downstream.

I don’t know any other way this could have been done.

The sidewalk program worked well for us too. We replaced three slabs.

Overall it is nice to see elderly neighbors out walking without all the trip hazards. Cities can’t possibly afford to replace all the sidewalks. The way this was done seems like the most equitable. Why should someone who has taken care of their sidewalk, replaced slabs as needed over the years, pay for those who have never had work done and need them all replaced? Most of those places are student rentals anyway. Let the landlords pay.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17308 Alan Goldsmith Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:00:19 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17308 I remember with the sidewalk fiasco, we called four of the contractors to get a quote (for three replacement slabs) and three companies set up times, never showed up and didn’t bother to get in touch after we left repeated phone messages. One company did finally call back after a few weeks and ended up doing a fine job at a resonable price, but getting in touch with the city with questions was yet another Kafka like experience. I’m thinking if I had wanted to know about raising chickens, there would have been a full time employee to talk with.

“I am not going to have a sump installed in my totally dry, completely used/lived in walk-out basement – there is no place for it, and I won’t allow it.”

I don’t think you understand Jeff. EVERY home in town is getting a sump pump, YOU are paying for it, either with the wasted tax dollars or a personal bill from a contractor and it doesn’t matter if your basement is dry or you’ve never had problems. And the price tag is an estimated $100 Million before it’s over.

Maybe you can submit a grant proposal, or call up the Ann Art Art Commission and have a water garden somehow included as part of your project and have an ‘artist’ come up with something that will bring in tourists.

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By: Jeff http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17298 Jeff Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:35:02 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17298 What a laugh to think that the contarctors will work with you on flowers and the like. When I had the misfortune of having my sidewalk repair mandated and the street I live on re-surfaced at the same time, neither cared at all about the $$$ flower gardens surrounding the projects. The city backfill crew that put dirt along the curb filled with dirt containing every imaginable weed seed including canadian thistle which I am fighting (and losing to) years later. It basically is taking over my once weed-free garden zone. The sidewalk people did the same on the other side of the walk.

In addition, the city cut into our approach but did not feather the street surface into it, so now the approach is 2″ lower than the street, so that makes for a nice puddle/ice rink every time it rains/snows. It seems to be random, they did some and not others? I guess what I am saying is don’t believe it when you are told they will work with you. I hope the disconnect program never makes it to our side of town… I am not going to have a sump installed in my totally dry, completely used/lived in walk-out basement – there is no place for it, and I won’t allow it.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17262 Alan Goldsmith Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:35:27 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17262 I wasn’t made aware of this meeting so I missed it but it’s amazing how the city seems to have a special skill for handling these events that have a major inpact but we have front page press on chicken raising issues.

“First, it is implied that only the five contractors approved by the city may be used. On a recent job I had bid, one of these contractors was 50% higher than the next high bid.

Second, the city has essentially sole sourced about $100 million in contracts to five contractors. Why? Am I the only one that thinks this is improper?”

Would $100 Million dollars have allowed a city wide upgrade to the system? And TWO Ann Arbor contractors were ‘approved’? This city council apparently cares very little about city small businesses.

“The resident wasn’t satisfied: “My point is that I live in Ann Arbor, I pay taxes in Ann Arbor, and I would like to see a contractor in Ann Arbor get the money.””

Don’t hold your breath. Once again, the city has bungled this process.

“Contractors aren’t going to go to the flower store,” he said, “but they’ll work with you.”

I love arrogance too.

“But unlike the sidewalk replacement, which homeowners must pay for, the city is reimbursing costs of the drain disconnect – at least for now.”

So the bill will ‘come due’ at some point in the future, homeowners might great stuck with the cost and the current council members and city officials will be long gone. Got it.

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17203 Steve Bean Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:01:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17203 Dusty, Glenn was referring to the sanitary sewer needs of new developments, not their stormwater system impacts.

Glenn, do you have any specific suggestions as to how this program might be improved?

Vin, do you have any insight into why other states allow onsite discharge? Is it a leglislative difference at the state level or the local?

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By: Dusty Lake http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17190 Dusty Lake Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:12:46 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17190 By way of full disclosure…. We live in one of the areas that experienced sewer back-ups back in the 90′s. The worst one resulted in our having the basement disinfected, the carpets thrown out and some of the drywall replaced. We lost a bunch of stuff in boxes that we just tossed rather than mess with. Most of it we never missed.

For all of the reasons above, I have followed this process closely. Our neigborhood was one of the first to go through the disconnect program and since then, our basements have been dry despite some big storms that would have flooded us in the past. It worked! Kudos to Mayor Sheldon and the residents committee that worked on this.

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By: Pete Olin http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/10/drain-disconnect-time-for-homeowners/comment-page-1/#comment-17181 Pete Olin Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:20:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17904#comment-17181 Based on personal experience, I would recommend anyone with a sump pump get a battery backed pump in addition. Waiting until after the first time you need it just leaves you with the clean-up AND the expense of buying and installing it.

The contractors may even install the y-section and check valves needed as part of the installation they are doing?

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