Comments on: Column: Big House Luxury Boxes? http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-big-house-luxury-boxes it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Jon Saalberg http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-32334 Jon Saalberg Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:10:24 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-32334 Whatever the cost, nearly a quarter billion dollars will seem poorly spent if the team doesn’t play a lot better in the next couple of years. I fear the U-M football team has become a lower echelon Big Ten team, something that seems to be tolerated – for now.

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By: ChuckL http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-32128 ChuckL Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:44:52 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-32128 There is a typo in my above comment: the $8 Million should be $5 Million.

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By: ChuckL http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-32121 ChuckL Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:40:31 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-32121 Pete Mooney,

The $1266 comes from the article above and thanks for the link showing cost data and revenue expectations. It looks like the luxury part of the project cost is $75 million; this money will pay for luxury boxes ($6-8 Million/year revenue) and box seats/chair backs ($9-10 Million/year revenue). The depreciation on $75 Million is about $3 Million/year. The interest is $75 Million * 4% = $3 Million/year. The loss of 4300 bleachers is $5 Million/year. This means the net revenue is (roughly) (7+9-5-3-3) = $5 Million/year. Now the discount rate should be about 9% since this is what the University’s endowment fund returns per year over the long run (the $75 Million could have been given to the endowment fund instead). It is also the case that the $8 Million a year should increase by about 3% per year due to inflation. So, the NPV (Net Present Value) of the $8 Million/year cash flow is about $5 Million/(9%-3%) = $83 Million. This is about 37% of the cost of the improvements (Bacon implies the luxury seating will pay 100% of the improvements.) Notice also that the luxury boxes only generate about $1 Million (7-3-3) of the $5 Million in annual revenue; however, these same boxes must count for most of the $75 Million incremental increase in cost (the link does not say what percent of the $75 Million pays for the luxury boxes). The bottom line is that the box seats probably offset the project cost but the luxury boxes are a huge negative and prevent future increases in seating capacity. Over-all, the luxury boxes barely pay for themselves and represent a move away from a more egalitarian experience.

If the fans like the improvements brought about by the other $150 Million in improvements, the University may be able to raise ticket prices to pay for them. Otherwise, this $150 Million expended for the stadium improvements could have been used to fund the University’s endowment and will therefor represent a net loss.

As I have eluded to earlier, I believe the 83 luxury suits are an attempt to improve the University’s ability to wine-and-dine VIP’s; who it is hoped, will donate generously to the U.

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-32077 Fred Zimmerman Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:43:35 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-32077 I’d rather work for a world where sports viewing is a shared, egalitarian experience, the way it was in the Big House for the previous 92 years.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-32033 Vivienne Armentrout Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:25:28 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-32033 Thanks for the history. I’m not a football fan but it was made clear to me at my first arrival how important the “Big House” is to some members of our community. We blew in on a house-shopping trip from sunny California to a cold November day with fresh snow on the streets. I didn’t have a suitable coat for the cold. Our realty agent (referred from a friend in California) picked us up in the morning and said that he would first give us a tour to get a feeling of the town. He pulled up first to the Michigan Stadium and led us up steps to look out over the sea of seats. (In retrospect, I’m surprised we were able just to go in.) As we stood in the cold wind, he said, “Isn’t it just great?”.

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By: Dennis http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-32002 Dennis Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:36:46 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-32002 John, this is fantastic stuff. It is much needed, given the heartbreaking conflict that erupted among some of our beloved M men. Thank you for applying your substantial talents in such an impressive, and important, manner. I’m sure Bo is very proud of you, up there in Football’s Valhalla. Let’s Go Blue!!

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By: Pete Mooney http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-31895 Pete Mooney Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:33:03 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-31895 ChuckL,

I’m not sure I follow. How do you come to $1,266 per season ticket? That’s almost $200.00 a game in a 7 game home season. Maybe some seats cost that much with a seat license but most tickets are about $60 a game, or $420-480 a season? On this topic, here’s an interesting exchange between the dean of Michigan bloggers, Mgoblog, and an opponent of the boxes. Link to Mgoblog

As I read the above, proponents are saying that the total amount of borrowing is $140 million, not $220 million, and that the interest rate is 4 percent, not 6. They also expect to generate $15-16 million from combined club and luxury box sales.

Just as matter of common sense, I can’t believe that the athlectic department would propose something that, if fully sold, wouldn’t cash flow. Now, if the boxes and club seats don’t sell that’s a whole ‘nother issue but from I’ve heard they are selling.

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By: ChuckL http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-31845 ChuckL Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:11:58 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-31845 Andy,

Check out, “http://www.savethebighouse.com/index.html”,
“Why won’t U-M comply with the ADA? Because the required wheelchair seats would cut into bleacher seat revenue that the Athletic Department is depending on to subsidize 83 luxury boxes, which don’t bring in enough revenue to pay for themselves. In essence, President Coleman and a majority of the Regents have taken the position that it’s more important to subsidize luxury boxes than it is to guarantee equal access to the stadium for all Michigan fans, in compliance with the ADA. We continue to urge U-M to change course and upgrade the stadium equally, for all fans.

President Coleman’s Luxury Box Plan is wrong for Michigan. It would:

* Cost at least $354.7 million, including debt service
* Subsidize luxury boxes with bleacher revenue
* Deny equal access for M fans in wheelchairs
* Restrict major expansion beyond 108,000
* Slash bleacher capacity by 4,300″

The opportunity cost of losing 4300 bleacher seats is 1266*4300 = $5.44 Million/year. The 83 luxury boxes will need to generate ($110 Million * 6% + $5.44 Million) / 83 boxes = $145,000 per box per year in revenue just to pay for the interest on the construction loans and opportunity cost.

So why the rush to build this financial turkey? I think Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, Judge Roberts’ visit to Ann Arbor explains it. UofM wants luxury boxes to wine and dine VIP’s; screw everyone else!

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By: Brad T. http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-31844 Brad T. Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:11:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-31844 I strongly agree that U-M didn’t have a choice. They had to upgrade the entire football stadium facility to comply with ADA, updated security and safety concerns and just new expectations. Therefore why not help fund the entire project with a future revenue stream.

I just finished touring the renovations earlier today and am very pleasantly surprised by what they are doing. I was skeptical before, but the design and execution is great. I’m a strong supporter of the project.

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By: Andy http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/16/column-big-house-luxury-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-31834 Andy Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:19:25 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30236#comment-31834 CHUCKL,
You are giving the cost of the entire project to the luxury boxes. Factually that is incorrect, about half of the $220 million price tag is for the improvements in the stadium that are being made to benefit all, the new concession areas, the bathrooms, wider aisles and a new press box (ok this probably won’t benefit the average fan, but has been needed for years). This means UofM had two options, spend over 100 million dollars with no new revenue stream, or spend 220 million dollars and and let the bulk if not all of the cost of both the needed improvements and the luxury boxes be paid by businesses and wealthy individuals. In my mind it’s a no brainer, and in my pocketbook I’m hoping the future ticket price increases (which I’m sure will still be coming) will be held in check somewhat.

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