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	<title>Comments on: Finally a Dam Decision on Argo?</title>
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	<description>it&#039;s like being there</description>
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		<title>By: David Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As reported by the Chronicle back in September the mayor responded to a question at a forum by saying that in his opinion the dam would be staying. I have always found him to be forthcoming and willing to respond to any question when I have written him. Unlike some others, he writes back. 

Of course as someone noted above there are times when it makes sense for anyone to wait until more information comes in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As reported by the Chronicle back in September the mayor responded to a question at a forum by saying that in his opinion the dam would be staying. I have always found him to be forthcoming and willing to respond to any question when I have written him. Unlike some others, he writes back. </p>
<p>Of course as someone noted above there are times when it makes sense for anyone to wait until more information comes in.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Psarouthakis</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/19/finally-a-dam-decision-on-argo/comment-page-1/#comment-32582</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Psarouthakis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats to the AAC and Dave Askins this is an well written balanced article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to the AAC and Dave Askins this is an well written balanced article.</p>
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		<title>By: Logoster</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/19/finally-a-dam-decision-on-argo/comment-page-1/#comment-32040</link>
		<dc:creator>Logoster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the mayor&#039;s position. I have an email from him where he states that he is definitely in favor of keeping the damn....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the mayor&#8217;s position. I have an email from him where he states that he is definitely in favor of keeping the damn&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Goldsmith</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/19/finally-a-dam-decision-on-argo/comment-page-1/#comment-31986</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Goldsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, sorry you&#039;re being bored.  It&#039;s true--the backlash against Ms. Rubin&#039;s  and others false claims have probably saved the damn.

We do have Mr. O&#039;Neal here too, who made a way better case for keeping the damn and countering Ms. Rubin in his Ann Arbow News piece. I really had no opinion on the damn until I read both articles. If you are upset about the turn of events you need to thank HRWC&#039;s leader and her lack of political skills, not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, sorry you&#8217;re being bored.  It&#8217;s true&#8211;the backlash against Ms. Rubin&#8217;s  and others false claims have probably saved the damn.</p>
<p>We do have Mr. O&#8217;Neal here too, who made a way better case for keeping the damn and countering Ms. Rubin in his Ann Arbow News piece. I really had no opinion on the damn until I read both articles. If you are upset about the turn of events you need to thank HRWC&#8217;s leader and her lack of political skills, not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Boatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By Laura Rubin
“Argo Dam is failing.”

John Charles

I believe that you are being a bit disingenuous regarding Ms. Rubin’s article in the Ann Arbor News. Unfortunately, she fails to clarify which part of the dam is failing. She offers up a “sky is falling” scenario with a very high dollar figure as well as a statement that rowers do not pay anything to maintain the dam.

First, her estimated cost is very high; she never considers simply closing the headrace to overcome the earthen berm. Second, she fails in the analysis that rowers do not pay for maintenance. As a resident of Ann Arbor, I believe that my taxes and water bills support many items that I do not use; bike lanes, bike racks, ice rinks, swimming pools, etc. So let us be careful of this statement. This is simply a case of the city council deciding what to fund or not to fund. 

According to the City – the toe drains are not failing thus they are fighting the MDEQ finding which is also contrary to the Rubin article. 

My suggestion is that a more thoughtful approach is to analyze all avenues truthfully and without bias. Unfortunately, The Rubin article fails on both accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Laura Rubin<br />
“Argo Dam is failing.”</p>
<p>John Charles</p>
<p>I believe that you are being a bit disingenuous regarding Ms. Rubin’s article in the Ann Arbor News. Unfortunately, she fails to clarify which part of the dam is failing. She offers up a “sky is falling” scenario with a very high dollar figure as well as a statement that rowers do not pay anything to maintain the dam.</p>
<p>First, her estimated cost is very high; she never considers simply closing the headrace to overcome the earthen berm. Second, she fails in the analysis that rowers do not pay for maintenance. As a resident of Ann Arbor, I believe that my taxes and water bills support many items that I do not use; bike lanes, bike racks, ice rinks, swimming pools, etc. So let us be careful of this statement. This is simply a case of the city council deciding what to fund or not to fund. </p>
<p>According to the City – the toe drains are not failing thus they are fighting the MDEQ finding which is also contrary to the Rubin article. </p>
<p>My suggestion is that a more thoughtful approach is to analyze all avenues truthfully and without bias. Unfortunately, The Rubin article fails on both accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: John Charles</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/19/finally-a-dam-decision-on-argo/comment-page-1/#comment-31977</link>
		<dc:creator>John Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Goldsmith: puhleaze. Your constant complaints are not only way off base, they&#039;re boring. Laura Rubin has said what the Michigan DEQ&#039;s Dam Safety Office has been saying for at least five years. 

The toe drains are failing. You can complain all you want that the earthen berm &quot;isn&#039;t the dam,&quot; but it&#039;s included as part of the dam in the DEQ&#039;s permit, and the effect of its failure is just as catastrophic. HRWC has repeatedly and publicly made it clear that the concrete and mechanical parts of the dam are in decent shape, but the berm isn&#039;t. You keep dredging out this tired, discredited argument and making these personal attacks, yet you never complain about the Pollyannas who tell us the dam&#039;s in &quot;great condition&quot; and there&#039;s nothing to worry about. Sorry, but I&#039;ll take the state Dam Safety office&#039;s opinion on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Goldsmith: puhleaze. Your constant complaints are not only way off base, they&#8217;re boring. Laura Rubin has said what the Michigan DEQ&#8217;s Dam Safety Office has been saying for at least five years. </p>
<p>The toe drains are failing. You can complain all you want that the earthen berm &#8220;isn&#8217;t the dam,&#8221; but it&#8217;s included as part of the dam in the DEQ&#8217;s permit, and the effect of its failure is just as catastrophic. HRWC has repeatedly and publicly made it clear that the concrete and mechanical parts of the dam are in decent shape, but the berm isn&#8217;t. You keep dredging out this tired, discredited argument and making these personal attacks, yet you never complain about the Pollyannas who tell us the dam&#8217;s in &#8220;great condition&#8221; and there&#8217;s nothing to worry about. Sorry, but I&#8217;ll take the state Dam Safety office&#8217;s opinion on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Psarouthakis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Psarouthakis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The resolution was tabled at the city council meeting last night (10/19/2009).  A proposal to postpone the vote on the resolution was defeated by roll call vote and the resolution was then immediately tabled also by roll call vote.

&quot;Same as it ever was&quot; no progress was made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The resolution was tabled at the city council meeting last night (10/19/2009).  A proposal to postpone the vote on the resolution was defeated by roll call vote and the resolution was then immediately tabled also by roll call vote.</p>
<p>&#8220;Same as it ever was&#8221; no progress was made.</p>
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		<title>By: JOE O'NEAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOE O'NEAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, the first dam was built in 1820 (plus or minus).  Ray Detter and/or Wystan Stevens can give all details.  I have all that you are asking about regarding the &quot;great flood of &#039;68&quot; and what the voters voted to do.  Please call me.  Would also be happy to make same available to Dave Askins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, the first dam was built in 1820 (plus or minus).  Ray Detter and/or Wystan Stevens can give all details.  I have all that you are asking about regarding the &#8220;great flood of &#8217;68&#8243; and what the voters voted to do.  Please call me.  Would also be happy to make same available to Dave Askins.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan E Lutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan E Lutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think we should give Laura Rubin and the HRWC all the credit for asking the question: &quot;Should Argo Dam remain?&quot;  The state has listed Argo Dam as having the second-greatest adverse impact to the flow of any Michigan river.  The MDNR has abandoned stocking efforts in the pond because of low poor conditions for game fish.  And many local environmental groups support restoration of the six-mile stretch of river because it will create more wildlife habitat and viewing opportunities.  HRWC is a terrific advocate for the river, but many others have cited valid environmental reasons for removing Argo Dam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think we should give Laura Rubin and the HRWC all the credit for asking the question: &#8220;Should Argo Dam remain?&#8221;  The state has listed Argo Dam as having the second-greatest adverse impact to the flow of any Michigan river.  The MDNR has abandoned stocking efforts in the pond because of low poor conditions for game fish.  And many local environmental groups support restoration of the six-mile stretch of river because it will create more wildlife habitat and viewing opportunities.  HRWC is a terrific advocate for the river, but many others have cited valid environmental reasons for removing Argo Dam.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I think the original Argo Dam was built in the 1800&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I think the original Argo Dam was built in the 1800&#8242;s</p>
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