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		<title>By: Gary Salton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Salton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#59-JCP2:  Sure sounded like &quot;yet another&quot; was arguing for deferring action on school expenses to me.  In any event, gumming up the necessary decisions with selective macro-level comparisons does nothing resolve the issues we confront. It is a waste of electrons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#59-JCP2:  Sure sounded like &#8220;yet another&#8221; was arguing for deferring action on school expenses to me.  In any event, gumming up the necessary decisions with selective macro-level comparisons does nothing resolve the issues we confront. It is a waste of electrons.</p>
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		<title>By: jcp2</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcp2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that artificially inflating wages/benefits was the point of #57. The long term answer to increasing wages/benefits will be related to increasing American worker productivity across the board so that American goods and service are competitive with the offerings from other countries. Part of that will be education, part of that will be infrastructure, part of that will be deciding what to do with those that cannot to keep up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that artificially inflating wages/benefits was the point of #57. The long term answer to increasing wages/benefits will be related to increasing American worker productivity across the board so that American goods and service are competitive with the offerings from other countries. Part of that will be education, part of that will be infrastructure, part of that will be deciding what to do with those that cannot to keep up.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Salton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Salton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#57-&quot;Yet Another&quot;&gt;&gt;Brilliant!!  Let&#039;s solve our immediate budgetary cash shortfalls by increasing the pay/benefits/remuneration of everyone everywhere. With that kind of thinking it is no mystery why you use a pseudonym to &quot;sign&quot; your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#57-&#8221;Yet Another&#8221;&gt;&gt;Brilliant!!  Let&#8217;s solve our immediate budgetary cash shortfalls by increasing the pay/benefits/remuneration of everyone everywhere. With that kind of thinking it is no mystery why you use a pseudonym to &#8220;sign&#8221; your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: yet another</title>
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		<dc:creator>yet another</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, let&#039;s not further encourage a race to the bottom among people who work for a living. If we continually ask non-management employees to adjust their standards downward based on those who earn less, then, in logical conclusion, we&#039;ll eventually wind up aking folks to compete with dollar-a-day wages found in some rather less than democatic countries.

The better question is how to bring up salaries/wages/benefits for most of the rest of the population so that it&#039;s on par (or better) with what our local teachers now receive. That is, rather than feeling resentment or envy over the teachers&#039; total employment package, let&#039;s instead ask why &lt;i&gt;everyone else&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t get that now. As it is, what teachers receive as compensation still falls beneath living standards in some Western European countries.

Why cripple teachers&#039; existing health and pension plans? Coverage through private sector health care plans is in freefall -- an ongoing state of collapse in terms of what you get for what you pay, and it&#039;s going to get worse with or without the wimpy federal reform legislation. Upstairs in Canada, a non-union, career broom sweeper receives better overall health care for far less than most everyone stateside. And pensions are essential -- for &lt;i&gt;nearly everyone&lt;/i&gt;, not just teachers -- since social security and Medicare presently do not come close to covering retirement needs.

We won&#039;t maintain an efficient, high-quality school system by bringing down living standards for teachers, or trying to bust their unions for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, let&#8217;s not further encourage a race to the bottom among people who work for a living. If we continually ask non-management employees to adjust their standards downward based on those who earn less, then, in logical conclusion, we&#8217;ll eventually wind up aking folks to compete with dollar-a-day wages found in some rather less than democatic countries.</p>
<p>The better question is how to bring up salaries/wages/benefits for most of the rest of the population so that it&#8217;s on par (or better) with what our local teachers now receive. That is, rather than feeling resentment or envy over the teachers&#8217; total employment package, let&#8217;s instead ask why <i>everyone else</i> doesn&#8217;t get that now. As it is, what teachers receive as compensation still falls beneath living standards in some Western European countries.</p>
<p>Why cripple teachers&#8217; existing health and pension plans? Coverage through private sector health care plans is in freefall &#8212; an ongoing state of collapse in terms of what you get for what you pay, and it&#8217;s going to get worse with or without the wimpy federal reform legislation. Upstairs in Canada, a non-union, career broom sweeper receives better overall health care for far less than most everyone stateside. And pensions are essential &#8212; for <i>nearly everyone</i>, not just teachers &#8212; since social security and Medicare presently do not come close to covering retirement needs.</p>
<p>We won&#8217;t maintain an efficient, high-quality school system by bringing down living standards for teachers, or trying to bust their unions for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Barden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Barden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No new taxes until some fundamental changes are made. Replace pensions with defined contribution retirement plans like the vast majority of public sector jobs.
Eliminate tenure and pay for performance.
Overhaul health care plans to be more like private sector plans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No new taxes until some fundamental changes are made. Replace pensions with defined contribution retirement plans like the vast majority of public sector jobs.<br />
Eliminate tenure and pay for performance.<br />
Overhaul health care plans to be more like private sector plans</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Salton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Salton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#54: Stephen,   Turn your question around. What value would the increase add to the education of our children?  What line item would be increased?  How would that benefit the children?

However, I&#039;d like to complement you on your idea of letting the teachers make specific proposals for cost reduction. That is a positive step in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54: Stephen,   Turn your question around. What value would the increase add to the education of our children?  What line item would be increased?  How would that benefit the children?</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;d like to complement you on your idea of letting the teachers make specific proposals for cost reduction. That is a positive step in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m concerned that no one has identified any particular  &quot;waste&quot; and &quot;overspending&quot; in the current AAPS budget.  Can anyone who opposed this millage identify such a line item?  If not, these arguments appear more &quot;faith-based&quot; than empirical.  My instincts are to ask the teachers themselves-in other words, which parts of the administration over-burden support their mission, and which do not?  What would they cut, to least compromise their ability to teach their students?  Of course this is a terrible time to ask for more money, but the schools are our future--especially the human talent represented by the many dedicated teachers I have known, vs. the physical plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m concerned that no one has identified any particular  &#8220;waste&#8221; and &#8220;overspending&#8221; in the current AAPS budget.  Can anyone who opposed this millage identify such a line item?  If not, these arguments appear more &#8220;faith-based&#8221; than empirical.  My instincts are to ask the teachers themselves-in other words, which parts of the administration over-burden support their mission, and which do not?  What would they cut, to least compromise their ability to teach their students?  Of course this is a terrible time to ask for more money, but the schools are our future&#8211;especially the human talent represented by the many dedicated teachers I have known, vs. the physical plant.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChuckL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People should consider this: if AAPS has a structural deficit, why did the AAPS go ahead with the construction of Skyline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People should consider this: if AAPS has a structural deficit, why did the AAPS go ahead with the construction of Skyline?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Posner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The schools right now have more money per student than just 2 years ago. Their budget has grown more than 50 million dollars in less than 6 years. I don&#039;t understand how this is corrosive, asphyxiating, or anything of the like. The school population is decreasing, and yet the funding has risen. The schools receive much more money per student than the national average. If a school system that receives more money than others rated higher complains that they don&#039;t have enough, shouldn&#039;t they figure out why they need more money when others do better with less?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The schools right now have more money per student than just 2 years ago. Their budget has grown more than 50 million dollars in less than 6 years. I don&#8217;t understand how this is corrosive, asphyxiating, or anything of the like. The school population is decreasing, and yet the funding has risen. The schools receive much more money per student than the national average. If a school system that receives more money than others rated higher complains that they don&#8217;t have enough, shouldn&#8217;t they figure out why they need more money when others do better with less?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Hofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of my job is to recruit talented highly educated professionals to the area from the coastal cities.  Exactly the people Michigan needs if it is going to make any comeback at all.  

One of the principle successful arguments we have used is that here, unlike some coastal cities, there are excellent public schools, reflecting a strong community commitment to education. That argument is rapidly losing force with the multi-year cuts in education funding we have seen.

Michigan is in the middle of pack in terms of state funding for education but close to last in keeping up funding over the past 5-7 years.  We are on a trajectory to rapidly join the cellar dwellars in the deep south.  For the type of transformation Michigan is hoping to make to high tech and biomedical industry, those businesses will not succeed with the dull output of a cheap mediocre educational system.

The Ann Arbor Public Schools have cut millions of dollars over the past decade and have had a structural cut to their budget since prop. A passed.   Many of the non-core enhancement programs in music, arts and athletics that distinguish the schools on the national stage are already funded on the backs of student fundraising and from the parents.  It is so easy to say that there is &quot;lots of fat&quot; but that is not much of an argument and even less of a solution.  Those who think so should get out their business skills and get involved to help find ways to make less go further.

It is however clear that we must move on.  The PTOs of politically influential districts need to coordinate lobbying the state to fix its broken school funding mechanism.  Here in Ann Arbor businesses and individuals need to do what they can perhaps by supporting the AA Educational Foundation or sponsoring &quot;community resource&quot; opportunities for students to replace some of the exciting educational programs that will be lost.

What is equally clear is that we can not continue penalizing the schools for whatever we think they are not doing for us by slowly asphyxiating them, just to see how little oxygen they can survive on.  That is a strategy for a loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of my job is to recruit talented highly educated professionals to the area from the coastal cities.  Exactly the people Michigan needs if it is going to make any comeback at all.  </p>
<p>One of the principle successful arguments we have used is that here, unlike some coastal cities, there are excellent public schools, reflecting a strong community commitment to education. That argument is rapidly losing force with the multi-year cuts in education funding we have seen.</p>
<p>Michigan is in the middle of pack in terms of state funding for education but close to last in keeping up funding over the past 5-7 years.  We are on a trajectory to rapidly join the cellar dwellars in the deep south.  For the type of transformation Michigan is hoping to make to high tech and biomedical industry, those businesses will not succeed with the dull output of a cheap mediocre educational system.</p>
<p>The Ann Arbor Public Schools have cut millions of dollars over the past decade and have had a structural cut to their budget since prop. A passed.   Many of the non-core enhancement programs in music, arts and athletics that distinguish the schools on the national stage are already funded on the backs of student fundraising and from the parents.  It is so easy to say that there is &#8220;lots of fat&#8221; but that is not much of an argument and even less of a solution.  Those who think so should get out their business skills and get involved to help find ways to make less go further.</p>
<p>It is however clear that we must move on.  The PTOs of politically influential districts need to coordinate lobbying the state to fix its broken school funding mechanism.  Here in Ann Arbor businesses and individuals need to do what they can perhaps by supporting the AA Educational Foundation or sponsoring &#8220;community resource&#8221; opportunities for students to replace some of the exciting educational programs that will be lost.</p>
<p>What is equally clear is that we can not continue penalizing the schools for whatever we think they are not doing for us by slowly asphyxiating them, just to see how little oxygen they can survive on.  That is a strategy for a loser.</p>
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