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	<title>Comments on: Column: Remembering the Del Rio Bar</title>
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	<description>it&#039;s like being there</description>
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		<title>By: Fred Zimmerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a lot of fun there with friends in the late 80s.  What I remember is that the food &amp; service were completely irrelevant to me -- all I cared about was that I was sitting at comfortable chairs in a pleasant space and having a good time talking with friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a lot of fun there with friends in the late 80s.  What I remember is that the food &amp; service were completely irrelevant to me &#8212; all I cared about was that I was sitting at comfortable chairs in a pleasant space and having a good time talking with friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Del. OK food. Music too loud. Snobbish staff. It was an anachronism. The staff decided how and when to wait on you based on how you looked. Ann Arbor is better off without that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Del. OK food. Music too loud. Snobbish staff. It was an anachronism. The staff decided how and when to wait on you based on how you looked. Ann Arbor is better off without that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Madaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Madaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I remember reading that the Grizzy Peak folks have retained the sign and some of the particulars from the Del Rio, and there is some small hope that it might someday revive? I like to fantasize that if WALLY comes through, or the Greenway “sunlights” Allen’s Creek, that the Del might be one the enterprises to spring up alongside. We might need the locomotive version of a Duck Boat, to splash in and out of the creek on its way north or south. And, the bar might need to be renamed the Del Creeko.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I remember reading that the Grizzy Peak folks have retained the sign and some of the particulars from the Del Rio, and there is some small hope that it might someday revive? I like to fantasize that if WALLY comes through, or the Greenway “sunlights” Allen’s Creek, that the Del might be one the enterprises to spring up alongside. We might need the locomotive version of a Duck Boat, to splash in and out of the creek on its way north or south. And, the bar might need to be renamed the Del Creeko.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Barth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Barth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I wouldn&#039;t give for a Detburger on an onion roll and an Antipasto salad....pure gourmet!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I wouldn&#8217;t give for a Detburger on an onion roll and an Antipasto salad&#8230;.pure gourmet!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Diane Feldt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Diane Feldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the customers were a bit sketchy at times too. I recall a date that took place December of 1977. My date was short of funds, I had only enough to cover my part and tip. So he left a poem as a tip. Although it was a pretty good poem, I don&#039;t think that kind of treatment contributes to happy wait staff. I still feel embarrassed. I used to buy the burrito sauce and take it home. It was fabulous, I&#039;ve never found better. I had to stop going back due to the smoke. That little non smoking section by the front door really didn&#039;t work. Thanks for the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the customers were a bit sketchy at times too. I recall a date that took place December of 1977. My date was short of funds, I had only enough to cover my part and tip. So he left a poem as a tip. Although it was a pretty good poem, I don&#8217;t think that kind of treatment contributes to happy wait staff. I still feel embarrassed. I used to buy the burrito sauce and take it home. It was fabulous, I&#8217;ve never found better. I had to stop going back due to the smoke. That little non smoking section by the front door really didn&#8217;t work. Thanks for the article.</p>
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		<title>By: yet another</title>
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		<dc:creator>yet another</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...the service was slow and surly. I stopped going, and I know quite a few people who stopped going for the same reason.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;...an impossible effort to synthesize the antithetical self-indulgent and communitarian impulses of the era from which it sprung&lt;/i&gt;

Re: a few earlier comments on customer service at the Del...

Regardless of whether on-site management is &#039;traditional&#039; or handled through worker consensus, a decline will set in when the owners or primary decision-making group start to become unresponsive or unconcerned with the ill effects of inconsistent service. This can lead to a self-perpetuating downward spiral for &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; business. As time goes on, these people often proceed to hire others similar to themselves, which results in a further deterioration of service orientation toward customers or clients. Eventually, as I&#039;ve witnessed in the past, the minority of staff who plea for a focus on improved customer interaction may find their proposals dismissed or even ridiculed by management.

Given the typically self-centered nature of our culture, those who conduct staff hirings at places like the (former) Del need to diligently seek a high aptitude for service and social skills from among the pool of job applicants. You have to consciously hire for these qualities, and also be willing to turn away friends of current staff. There are plenty of hard workers out there who have only a limited understanding of customer service, some of whom will go as far as to argue that it gets in the way of doing their jobs efficiently.

Some worker-run operations have been smart enough to set up a board of community members (which also includes employees) who act as overseers or as a source of feedback. Such a board may remain fairly passive much of the time but swings into action when the public begins to sense a breakdown in service quality and operations. It acts as a reality check -- and a brake -- when internal staff dynamics lean too far toward dysfunction. ...As to how such a board might have fit in with the Del&#039;s operation, given its unusual distinction of being &lt;i&gt;privately-owned&lt;/i&gt; while worker-managed, I don&#039;t know.

In my limited experience, I was never treated in a surly manner by the Del&#039;s wait staff. On occasion, they came across as indifferent or aloof; and then, when a regular customer walked in, the personalities of the staff would suddenly brim with life. This two-tiered service behavior, while less than welcoming for newbies, was hardly unique to the Del. Still, my experience aside, the slowly growing perception of service decline did do hurt through word of mouth. By the late 90s its internal work culture needed reinvigoration.

Although customer service during the initial years might have been better overall, there&#039;s an old anecdote (or urban legend?) said to date from the very early 70s: a guy in a business suit showed up at the Del after work, only to be all but pushed back out the door due to, in essence, his failure to outwardly comply with the bar&#039;s culture and informal dress code. Borrowing from that era&#039;s lingo, in order to patronize &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; establishment, you&#039;d best not look like part of &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; establishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;the service was slow and surly. I stopped going, and I know quite a few people who stopped going for the same reason.</i></p>
<p><i>&#8230;an impossible effort to synthesize the antithetical self-indulgent and communitarian impulses of the era from which it sprung</i></p>
<p>Re: a few earlier comments on customer service at the Del&#8230;</p>
<p>Regardless of whether on-site management is &#8216;traditional&#8217; or handled through worker consensus, a decline will set in when the owners or primary decision-making group start to become unresponsive or unconcerned with the ill effects of inconsistent service. This can lead to a self-perpetuating downward spiral for <i>any</i> business. As time goes on, these people often proceed to hire others similar to themselves, which results in a further deterioration of service orientation toward customers or clients. Eventually, as I&#8217;ve witnessed in the past, the minority of staff who plea for a focus on improved customer interaction may find their proposals dismissed or even ridiculed by management.</p>
<p>Given the typically self-centered nature of our culture, those who conduct staff hirings at places like the (former) Del need to diligently seek a high aptitude for service and social skills from among the pool of job applicants. You have to consciously hire for these qualities, and also be willing to turn away friends of current staff. There are plenty of hard workers out there who have only a limited understanding of customer service, some of whom will go as far as to argue that it gets in the way of doing their jobs efficiently.</p>
<p>Some worker-run operations have been smart enough to set up a board of community members (which also includes employees) who act as overseers or as a source of feedback. Such a board may remain fairly passive much of the time but swings into action when the public begins to sense a breakdown in service quality and operations. It acts as a reality check &#8212; and a brake &#8212; when internal staff dynamics lean too far toward dysfunction. &#8230;As to how such a board might have fit in with the Del&#8217;s operation, given its unusual distinction of being <i>privately-owned</i> while worker-managed, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>In my limited experience, I was never treated in a surly manner by the Del&#8217;s wait staff. On occasion, they came across as indifferent or aloof; and then, when a regular customer walked in, the personalities of the staff would suddenly brim with life. This two-tiered service behavior, while less than welcoming for newbies, was hardly unique to the Del. Still, my experience aside, the slowly growing perception of service decline did do hurt through word of mouth. By the late 90s its internal work culture needed reinvigoration.</p>
<p>Although customer service during the initial years might have been better overall, there&#8217;s an old anecdote (or urban legend?) said to date from the very early 70s: a guy in a business suit showed up at the Del after work, only to be all but pushed back out the door due to, in essence, his failure to outwardly comply with the bar&#8217;s culture and informal dress code. Borrowing from that era&#8217;s lingo, in order to patronize <i>this</i> establishment, you&#8217;d best not look like part of <i>the</i> establishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Zobian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Zobian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I was a happy customer at the Del Rio from 1970 until I moved to California in 1978. Loved the brick wall and tin ceiling - but truly remember the pizza. The Del&#039;s sauce was the best in town! One night I was sitting at the bar when the stranger next to me nudged me, offering a  joint that was travelling up and down the bar. Only in the Del Rio! Mr. Flood&#039;s couldn&#039;t hold a candle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I was a happy customer at the Del Rio from 1970 until I moved to California in 1978. Loved the brick wall and tin ceiling &#8211; but truly remember the pizza. The Del&#8217;s sauce was the best in town! One night I was sitting at the bar when the stranger next to me nudged me, offering a  joint that was travelling up and down the bar. Only in the Del Rio! Mr. Flood&#8217;s couldn&#8217;t hold a candle.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Cybulski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Cybulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Alan -- great article. I am grateful I got to hang out at the Del for many years. Thanks to my wonderful friend Audrey Simon for taking me there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Alan &#8212; great article. I am grateful I got to hang out at the Del for many years. Thanks to my wonderful friend Audrey Simon for taking me there!</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe we will ever experience anything like the 70&#039;s bar atmosphere of the Del Rio, Flood&#039;s Party or The Blind Pig again. Those of us who were lucky enough to work in these bars had a common bond and sense of community that I have never experienced again. I worked at the Pig during the day, my husband, (X) John Nicholas, played in the band almost every night and we lived on top of the Pig. The Del was a place &quot;to get away&quot; and eat great food; our friends waited on us and the friendly connections we made back then were so precious. If there is a bar in A2 now that could come close, let me know, I&#039;ve been searching for 30 years. Those sweet memories run deep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe we will ever experience anything like the 70&#8242;s bar atmosphere of the Del Rio, Flood&#8217;s Party or The Blind Pig again. Those of us who were lucky enough to work in these bars had a common bond and sense of community that I have never experienced again. I worked at the Pig during the day, my husband, (X) John Nicholas, played in the band almost every night and we lived on top of the Pig. The Del was a place &#8220;to get away&#8221; and eat great food; our friends waited on us and the friendly connections we made back then were so precious. If there is a bar in A2 now that could come close, let me know, I&#8217;ve been searching for 30 years. Those sweet memories run deep.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fascinating article! I know of Ernie Harburg as the son of the songwriter Yip Harburg (Wizard of Oz, Finian&#039;s Rainbow)but did not know about the Del since I moved to this area only five years ago. I just read another interesting article published recently in The Faster Times by an Ann Arbor-based writer, Davi Napolean, who interviewed Harburg mainly about the new Broadway production of Finian&#039;s Rainbow. [&lt;a href=&quot;http://thefastertimes.com/theatertalk/2009/11/01/bustin-with-bliss-5q4-ernie-harburg/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fascinating article! I know of Ernie Harburg as the son of the songwriter Yip Harburg (Wizard of Oz, Finian&#8217;s Rainbow)but did not know about the Del since I moved to this area only five years ago. I just read another interesting article published recently in The Faster Times by an Ann Arbor-based writer, Davi Napolean, who interviewed Harburg mainly about the new Broadway production of Finian&#8217;s Rainbow. [<a href="http://thefastertimes.com/theatertalk/2009/11/01/bustin-with-bliss-5q4-ernie-harburg/" rel="nofollow">Link</a>]</p>
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