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	<description>it&#039;s like being there</description>
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		<title>By: Rici</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/05/market-commission-preps-vendor-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-40796</link>
		<dc:creator>Rici</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment 16: &lt;i&gt;i know a honey guy at the market who actually makes his own honey.&lt;/i&gt;

Wow - now that&#039;s a biological miracle! How does he do this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment 16: <i>i know a honey guy at the market who actually makes his own honey.</i></p>
<p>Wow &#8211; now that&#8217;s a biological miracle! How does he do this?</p>
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		<title>By: jcp2</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/05/market-commission-preps-vendor-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-39219</link>
		<dc:creator>jcp2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be more impressed if peppers were the subject vegetable, rather than cucumbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be more impressed if peppers were the subject vegetable, rather than cucumbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew it was only a matter of time before pickles made their &#039;ppearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew it was only a matter of time before pickles made their &#8216;ppearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivienne Armentrout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivienne Armentrout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I just need to pick the peak for a peck to pickle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I just need to pick the peak for a peck to pickle.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it&#039;s peak pecks only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s peak pecks only.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>19: Vivienne, some farmers will sell things by the peck, others have people who are there who don&#039;t even know what a peck is.  I&#039;ve certainly gotten deals by offering to buy a large quantity of something from someone who has bushels and bushels of produce behind them, but that&#039;s usually only in the peak of the season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19: Vivienne, some farmers will sell things by the peck, others have people who are there who don&#8217;t even know what a peck is.  I&#8217;ve certainly gotten deals by offering to buy a large quantity of something from someone who has bushels and bushels of produce behind them, but that&#8217;s usually only in the peak of the season.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Askins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Askins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: [20] and:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Even now the material presented at the February meeting of the Market Commission is still being withheld from the public. &lt;em&gt;Note that the link in this article to the proposed revised Market application does not work.&lt;/em&gt; When a Market vendor asked for a copy this past Saturday he was told he could not have it. This is simply wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The link failure can be chalked up to The Chronicle, not the city -- ideally we try to host documents on our own website, instead of relying on third parties to maintain the same URL forever. And it was The Chronicle who dropped the ball that. [When a link doesn&#039;t work, the URL window should indicate the address where it was trying to fetch the file from].

In any case, I&#039;ve filled in the missing domain name prefix,  and it should now work: [&lt;a href=&quot;http://annarborchronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/draft-2010-application.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: [20] and:</p>
<blockquote><p>Even now the material presented at the February meeting of the Market Commission is still being withheld from the public. <em>Note that the link in this article to the proposed revised Market application does not work.</em> When a Market vendor asked for a copy this past Saturday he was told he could not have it. This is simply wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>The link failure can be chalked up to The Chronicle, not the city &#8212; ideally we try to host documents on our own website, instead of relying on third parties to maintain the same URL forever. And it was The Chronicle who dropped the ball that. [When a link doesn't work, the URL window should indicate the address where it was trying to fetch the file from].</p>
<p>In any case, I&#8217;ve filled in the missing domain name prefix,  and it should now work: [<a href="http://annarborchronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/draft-2010-application.pdf" rel="nofollow">link</a>]</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Newell Commented:  “ You (Glenn Thompson)  have been a wonderful and vigilant advocate and citizen voice of the market and other civic projects for so long-why don’t you get this when it comes to Scott Robertello .  .  .” 

I appreciate Mr Newell&#039;s recognition of my support of the market.  But this is why we disagree on this issue.  I support the Market, and correct, rule making procedures that follow legal precedent.  I do not have a position for, or against, Mr. Robertello.

In November, a quorum of the Market Commissioners met in the Market office to discuss “policy and procedures”.  The Michigan Open Meetings Act (OMA) requires all meetings of public bodies when a quorum is present to maintain minutes and to make these available within 8 days of the meeting.  When I asked for a copy of the minutes under the Michigan Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) I was told the minutes of the meeting were not available.

The November meeting was illegal and unnecessary since the regular Commission Meetings were typically less than one hour.  A major part of my objection is that the Commission activity was not been  conducted in the public, cablecast, meetings of the Commission.  This is clearly in opposition the intent and spirit of open, transparent, deliberation and decision by government as required by OMA and supported by Ann Arbor Council resolution.  The meetings have continued, although at the February meeting of the Market Commission the chairperson, Mr Pollack was careful not to disclose the number of Commissioners present at the last meeting.

Even now the material presented at the February meeting of the Market Commission is still being withheld from the public.  Note that the link in this article to the proposed revised Market application does not work.  When a Market vendor asked for a copy this past Saturday he was told he could not have it.  This is simply wrong.

Consider the legal structure of the US.  Our system is based on written law and court precedent.  Mr. Pollack has stated that the Commission is not changing the rules. So the Commission is not changing the &#039;law&#039;.   Mr.  Robertello has decades of precedent from Market Managers, Market Inspectors, and even the City Attorney&#039;s Office that whatever he is doing is consistent with the &#039;law&#039;.  Under the framework of our legal system the &#039;law&#039; and precedent strongly support Mr Roberttello.

This does not mean the Commission cannot start the process to change the rules, if that is their intent. But it should be done by the procedure that was approved by the Ann Arbor City Council, not by a backroom deal.  The discussions should be if the change is good for the Market, not whether it is good for one vendor or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Newell Commented:  “ You (Glenn Thompson)  have been a wonderful and vigilant advocate and citizen voice of the market and other civic projects for so long-why don’t you get this when it comes to Scott Robertello .  .  .” </p>
<p>I appreciate Mr Newell&#8217;s recognition of my support of the market.  But this is why we disagree on this issue.  I support the Market, and correct, rule making procedures that follow legal precedent.  I do not have a position for, or against, Mr. Robertello.</p>
<p>In November, a quorum of the Market Commissioners met in the Market office to discuss “policy and procedures”.  The Michigan Open Meetings Act (OMA) requires all meetings of public bodies when a quorum is present to maintain minutes and to make these available within 8 days of the meeting.  When I asked for a copy of the minutes under the Michigan Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) I was told the minutes of the meeting were not available.</p>
<p>The November meeting was illegal and unnecessary since the regular Commission Meetings were typically less than one hour.  A major part of my objection is that the Commission activity was not been  conducted in the public, cablecast, meetings of the Commission.  This is clearly in opposition the intent and spirit of open, transparent, deliberation and decision by government as required by OMA and supported by Ann Arbor Council resolution.  The meetings have continued, although at the February meeting of the Market Commission the chairperson, Mr Pollack was careful not to disclose the number of Commissioners present at the last meeting.</p>
<p>Even now the material presented at the February meeting of the Market Commission is still being withheld from the public.  Note that the link in this article to the proposed revised Market application does not work.  When a Market vendor asked for a copy this past Saturday he was told he could not have it.  This is simply wrong.</p>
<p>Consider the legal structure of the US.  Our system is based on written law and court precedent.  Mr. Pollack has stated that the Commission is not changing the rules. So the Commission is not changing the &#8216;law&#8217;.   Mr.  Robertello has decades of precedent from Market Managers, Market Inspectors, and even the City Attorney&#8217;s Office that whatever he is doing is consistent with the &#8216;law&#8217;.  Under the framework of our legal system the &#8216;law&#8217; and precedent strongly support Mr Roberttello.</p>
<p>This does not mean the Commission cannot start the process to change the rules, if that is their intent. But it should be done by the procedure that was approved by the Ann Arbor City Council, not by a backroom deal.  The discussions should be if the change is good for the Market, not whether it is good for one vendor or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivienne Armentrout</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/05/market-commission-preps-vendor-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-39139</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivienne Armentrout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard at one point that there was some sort of (informal) rule that sellers couldn&#039;t undercut each other in price.  Does anyone know if this is true?

Years ago I used to buy a peck of cucumbers to make pickles, for example, but later I found that they were selling them only in little pint containers at much higher prices. I agree that they need to sell at retail prices instead of wholesale in order to make farming remunerative, but this does take away much of the traditional motivation in visiting a farmers&#039; market. I mostly visit the market through nostalgia and to buy certain items, and as an entertainment.  It is still one of our treasures and I love to patronize the West Side Market.  Arbor Farms also sells local produce in season, which helps assuage my conscience, since I can no longer shop at Fresh Seasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard at one point that there was some sort of (informal) rule that sellers couldn&#8217;t undercut each other in price.  Does anyone know if this is true?</p>
<p>Years ago I used to buy a peck of cucumbers to make pickles, for example, but later I found that they were selling them only in little pint containers at much higher prices. I agree that they need to sell at retail prices instead of wholesale in order to make farming remunerative, but this does take away much of the traditional motivation in visiting a farmers&#8217; market. I mostly visit the market through nostalgia and to buy certain items, and as an entertainment.  It is still one of our treasures and I love to patronize the West Side Market.  Arbor Farms also sells local produce in season, which helps assuage my conscience, since I can no longer shop at Fresh Seasons.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Editor&#039;s note: This comment has been deleted, because it was in significant part speculative and seemed more designed to cast aspersions on an individual than it was to add information and perspective on this article. </description>
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