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	<title>Comments on: Budget Round 3: Where&#8217;s Your Emergency?</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Askins</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/26/budget-round-3-wheres-your-emergency/comment-page-1/#comment-40509</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Askins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: [4], [6] and subsequent discussion of the cost of the Trakit software.

The $0.5 million cost cited by Dan Rainey and reported in the article is likely based on the June 18, 2007 city council resolution authorizing the software purchase:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Resolution to Approve a Service, Software Licensing, and Support Agreement with CRW Systems for the TRAKiT Software and Implementation of a third party (Tele-Works) IVR system - RFP No. 626 ($504,000.00) and establish a project budget
not to exceed $554,400.00&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: [4], [6] and subsequent discussion of the cost of the Trakit software.</p>
<p>The $0.5 million cost cited by Dan Rainey and reported in the article is likely based on the June 18, 2007 city council resolution authorizing the software purchase:</p>
<blockquote><p>Resolution to Approve a Service, Software Licensing, and Support Agreement with CRW Systems for the TRAKiT Software and Implementation of a third party (Tele-Works) IVR system &#8211; RFP No. 626 ($504,000.00) and establish a project budget<br />
not to exceed $554,400.00</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Steve Bean</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/26/budget-round-3-wheres-your-emergency/comment-page-1/#comment-40507</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, to follow up on Vivienne&#039;s response to your comment, I think you might be misinterpreting information gathering for the purposes of decision-making on the budget as micromanaging. I think our council members understand and stick to their roles quite well in this area.

Re: IT--New employees aren&#039;t considered failures part way through their orientation and training. Complex software systems require a similar integration and setup period. The users of such systems, being the ones whose daily work requires the most changes, are often not enthusiastic during the transition period. On the other hand, some users appreciate the potential of new systems and look forward to using it more fully, showing less frustration with immediate problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, to follow up on Vivienne&#8217;s response to your comment, I think you might be misinterpreting information gathering for the purposes of decision-making on the budget as micromanaging. I think our council members understand and stick to their roles quite well in this area.</p>
<p>Re: IT&#8211;New employees aren&#8217;t considered failures part way through their orientation and training. Complex software systems require a similar integration and setup period. The users of such systems, being the ones whose daily work requires the most changes, are often not enthusiastic during the transition period. On the other hand, some users appreciate the potential of new systems and look forward to using it more fully, showing less frustration with immediate problems.</p>
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		<title>By: mr dairy</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/26/budget-round-3-wheres-your-emergency/comment-page-1/#comment-40481</link>
		<dc:creator>mr dairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest that anyone who is interested, talk to PDS staff, managers and their elected officials.

To my knowledge the Etrakit purchase contract was negotiated through the City Attorney&#039;s office. I suggest that anyone interested in the details of the purchase contract contact the Attorney&#039;s office.

Among other features, I believe that the real time online updates from field inspections has yet to be complete and implemented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest that anyone who is interested, talk to PDS staff, managers and their elected officials.</p>
<p>To my knowledge the Etrakit purchase contract was negotiated through the City Attorney&#8217;s office. I suggest that anyone interested in the details of the purchase contract contact the Attorney&#8217;s office.</p>
<p>Among other features, I believe that the real time online updates from field inspections has yet to be complete and implemented.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/26/budget-round-3-wheres-your-emergency/comment-page-1/#comment-40478</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the clarification Mr Dairy.  Do you know what terms of the purchase contract were not fulfilled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the clarification Mr Dairy.  Do you know what terms of the purchase contract were not fulfilled?</p>
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		<title>By: mr dairy</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/26/budget-round-3-wheres-your-emergency/comment-page-1/#comment-40475</link>
		<dc:creator>mr dairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Etrakit was chosen as part of the reorganization of Planning and Development Services. The terms of it&#039;s selection and purchase are a bit murky.

The contract was essentially written to CRW&#039;s specifications that excluded other vendors and the city&#039;s existing software vendor at the time BS&amp;A.

According to staff of PDS, to this day, CRW/Etrakit has NOT fulfilled the terms of the purchase contract. It has been a costly failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Etrakit was chosen as part of the reorganization of Planning and Development Services. The terms of it&#8217;s selection and purchase are a bit murky.</p>
<p>The contract was essentially written to CRW&#8217;s specifications that excluded other vendors and the city&#8217;s existing software vendor at the time BS&amp;A.</p>
<p>According to staff of PDS, to this day, CRW/Etrakit has NOT fulfilled the terms of the purchase contract. It has been a costly failure.</p>
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		<title>By: mr dairy</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/26/budget-round-3-wheres-your-emergency/comment-page-1/#comment-40474</link>
		<dc:creator>mr dairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was Mr Rainey&#039;s claim of $500,000 the cost of support or the cost of purchase? Both? I do not know, but I do know that when Etrakit was first mentioned in city hall discussions, the $1 million amount was stated as the initial cost and start up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Mr Rainey&#8217;s claim of $500,000 the cost of support or the cost of purchase? Both? I do not know, but I do know that when Etrakit was first mentioned in city hall discussions, the $1 million amount was stated as the initial cost and start up.</p>
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		<title>By: Alpha Alpha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alpha Alpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point well taken.

I did read it from the viewpoint of &quot;How much are workers getting?&quot;;
that&#039;s the cause of the confusion.
I think many would agree the paragraph is perhaps less than clear.

Regardless, now we can look at numbers instead of potentially
confusing words, at the link cited.

Thank you for the accuracy check, and your fine efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point well taken.</p>
<p>I did read it from the viewpoint of &#8220;How much are workers getting?&#8221;;<br />
that&#8217;s the cause of the confusion.<br />
I think many would agree the paragraph is perhaps less than clear.</p>
<p>Regardless, now we can look at numbers instead of potentially<br />
confusing words, at the link cited.</p>
<p>Thank you for the accuracy check, and your fine efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Askins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Askins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: [10] Editor&#039;s note to Alpha Alpha, The Chronicle provided more than adequate context to understand Ms. Wilkerson&#039;s characterization &quot;on the low end&quot;  accurately:

&lt;blockquote&gt;She said the city was not the highest in terms of wages, but that in terms of pensions, deductibles, and co-pays, the city was on “the low end.” Hohnke sought clarification of “the low end” – Wilkerson meant that Ann Arbor workers paid less than workers in other communities towards those benefits.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In commenting, please do not strip quotes of their original context, giving them a different interpretation, in order to serve a rhetorical point.

What is interesting about Ms. Wilkeron&#039;s quote -- and the reason we quoted it -- is precisely that she, as the city&#039;s human resources director, sees the issue from a different point of view than the average citizen, namely:  &quot;How much do workers &lt;em&gt;contribute&lt;/em&gt; towards their health care and retirement?&quot;  It&#039;s an interesting contrast to the way many people look at the issue, which is simply: &quot;How much are city workers &lt;em&gt;getting&lt;/em&gt;?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: [10] Editor&#8217;s note to Alpha Alpha, The Chronicle provided more than adequate context to understand Ms. Wilkerson&#8217;s characterization &#8220;on the low end&#8221;  accurately:</p>
<blockquote><p>She said the city was not the highest in terms of wages, but that in terms of pensions, deductibles, and co-pays, the city was on “the low end.” Hohnke sought clarification of “the low end” – Wilkerson meant that Ann Arbor workers paid less than workers in other communities towards those benefits.</p></blockquote>
<p>In commenting, please do not strip quotes of their original context, giving them a different interpretation, in order to serve a rhetorical point.</p>
<p>What is interesting about Ms. Wilkeron&#8217;s quote &#8212; and the reason we quoted it &#8212; is precisely that she, as the city&#8217;s human resources director, sees the issue from a different point of view than the average citizen, namely:  &#8220;How much do workers <em>contribute</em> towards their health care and retirement?&#8221;  It&#8217;s an interesting contrast to the way many people look at the issue, which is simply: &#8220;How much are city workers <em>getting</em>?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alpha Alpha</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/26/budget-round-3-wheres-your-emergency/comment-page-1/#comment-40460</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpha Alpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“On the low end”?   “In the middle”?  

Not even close!

I suggest everyone look carefully at:
[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.annarbor.com/news/controlling-employee-costs-may-be-ann-arbors-biggest-challenge/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;]

It clearly shows our city workers earn substantially more than their
governmental peers, and way more than civilians earn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“On the low end”?   “In the middle”?  </p>
<p>Not even close!</p>
<p>I suggest everyone look carefully at:<br />
[<a href="http://www.annarbor.com/news/controlling-employee-costs-may-be-ann-arbors-biggest-challenge/" rel="nofollow">link</a>]</p>
<p>It clearly shows our city workers earn substantially more than their<br />
governmental peers, and way more than civilians earn.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/02/26/budget-round-3-wheres-your-emergency/comment-page-1/#comment-40439</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gill - I disagree about your work flow comment.  Process management software, aka work flow, is critical for managing complex processes.(Especially bureaucratic government processes)  Not all process management software needs to have rigid decision paths.  Process management software should be used to ensure the public is treated fairly and City staff are held accountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gill &#8211; I disagree about your work flow comment.  Process management software, aka work flow, is critical for managing complex processes.(Especially bureaucratic government processes)  Not all process management software needs to have rigid decision paths.  Process management software should be used to ensure the public is treated fairly and City staff are held accountable.</p>
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