As Merkava stated; “we train far in excess of the minimum requirements”

Many of us gunnies, shoot more rounds more often that many in law enforcement per year and that’s on our own dime vs department guns, ranges and ammo.

Guns and gun ownership is at an all time high but there is still no blood running in the streets at least by law abiding citizens. If you want to see blood in the streets go to Chicago where handguns are banned (for now).

Speaking for myself and all of my friends who are CPL holders.

(one too many “all”s in that sentence)

Speaking for myself and all of my friends who are all CPL holders, we train far in excess of the minimum requirements, most of us are ex-military we seek out training from instructors with special operations backgrounds who are well known in the industry world-wide.

At one 3-Gun competition last year, I had the pleasure of shooting with a FBI agent who’s on a tactical team with the Detroit field office. He was pretty adamant about personal firearm rights as well. Our sheriff doesn’t speak for all law enforcement in the area. He’s a politician, so making a big deal out of inflated statistics is to be expected ;)

A law abiding potential victim can shoot to stop the threat if those conditions are met. If a mugger dies from the actions he/she/it initiated then that’s too bad.

“Would you have felt the same way if he had killed the mugger instead of the bystander? ”

This was a bad shoot even if no innocent bystanders were shot, the mugging was effectively over and the grand theft auto was in process. In either case the immediate and deadly threat to the CPL holder was over since the mugger was affecting his escape AWAY from the victim. At this point the victim was shooting to either protect property (the vehicle) or in retribution of the crime. Neither are allowed under the Self Defense Act and if you were to follow us ‘gunnies’ the forums are full of us denouncing his actions.

As for training, I highly recommend it but making it mandatory as you seem to indicate, would be an infringement, especially for the poor who are least likely to afford it and most likely to need firearms for self defense.

I hope that even a poorly-trained cop would know better than to fire at a fleeing thief.

Thanks, I appreciate it. Please just make sure someone’s life is at risk before you start shooting. Unlike the “highly-trained” CPL holder who killed an innocent bystander, Geraldine Jackson, in Detroit a couple weeks ago, while shooting at a fleeing mugger after the danger had already passed.