Comments on: No More “Felony Box” on County Job Forms http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Mary Morgan http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50941 Mary Morgan Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:08:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50941 Re. #8: The comment refers to a recent trial involving Washtenaw County commissioner Ronnie Peterson, who represents District 6 in Ypsilanti and Ypsilanti Township. A federal jury ruled that Peterson let an employee sexually harass seven women in rental properties he owns in Ypsilanti. Our Media Watch item on the trial links to a Detroit News article that reported the women were awarded $115,000 in damages.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50701 Vivienne Armentrout Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:17:51 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50701 Re #2: I apologize for not having researched more carefully before commenting on the Michigan Business Tax (MBT) credit. A memory floated up that there used to be a Single Business Tax credit that could be awarded to brownfield projects by application to MEGA (Michigan Economic Growth Authority). Of course the SBT was abolished and a hellishly complicated MBT was instituted via P.A. 36 of 2007. I believe that the relevant section is 208.1437 [link] and as before, a project wishing to obtain credits against this tax would have to apply to MEGA.

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50609 Fred Zimmerman Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:59:04 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50609 @9 @ JackF — I agree, the housing scandal (SingleMomGate?) is appalling. It’s just a different issue.

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50608 Fred Zimmerman Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:58:03 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50608 #7 — Sabra, if indeed background checks continue to be made prior to *all* offers of employment, my concern is lessened. However, it is not confidence-inspiring that there was so much discussion of removing some or all of them.

I certainly support and encourage giving previously convicted persons the right to resume earning a livelihood. Anything else is counterproductive and wrong. But I think removing the felony box is the wrong way to go about it; it simply encourages making decisions on a “let’s close our eyes and pretend” basis. Felony convictions are just as relevant as lying about work experience or education or having a bad driving record. We’d like to have the right to fire an employee who lies about those things on a job application, why not the same for felonies? It really doesn’t make much sense except as an exercise in political correctness.

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By: Jack F http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50602 Jack F Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:13:42 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50602 “So the upshot of this well-intentioned debate about the felony box is that extremely violent felons could be hired for county jobs so long as the position is not deemed “background checkable”? Whoops.”

I’m less worried about this and a bit more worried about the silence from County elected officials about one of their own and his violation of civil laws relating to harassing poor single parent women in the house rental market. Is there a box on county forms for that?

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By: Sabra Briere http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50584 Sabra Briere Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:11:04 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50584 Misdemeanor

sorry. I miss spell check.

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By: Sabra Briere http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50583 Sabra Briere Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:09:12 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50583 I attended this meeting for another purpose, but paid close attention to the issue of ‘the box’. I interpreted this discussion differently from Mr. Zimmerman (comment#5).

Applicants for jobs – all jobs – would not have a box to check that indicates whether they have been convicted of a felony (or misdemenor? I don’t know what the box currently asks). Right now, that box *discourages* applications from people who have been convicted but might still be eligible for jobs.

Before a job is offered, however, background checks are standard. The important change is that some jobs require different levels of security. All candidates being considered for a position will be screened equally; but some positions could be filled by candidates who have been convicted of felonies and have served their time. It would depend on the job, the applicant, and the crime for which they were convicted (I imagine we are talking about drugs or perhaps some crime of youth, but don’t want to speculate).

The idea that a person (who had been a violent criminal with anger issues) would be hired by the County or any other governmental unit *in ignorance, because they didn’t run a background check* is just not what I was hearing at the meeting. All applicants would undergo background checks. No one would be offered a job without a background check. If a background check disclosed a criminal record, the HR department would discuss the situation with the hiring unit and decide whether to go forward; they would then meet with the candidate and discuss the criminal history and its implications for the job. All of this would occur before a decision to hire.

As I understand it, people with felony convictions are often now kept from any consideration for any jobs. If they cannot work, they cannot pay rent, buy food, buy a car, buy a house . . . or do much of anything but commit another crime and go to prison. Not a pretty picture for our society.

Sabra

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50571 Fred Zimmerman Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:57:53 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50571 As it stands, the county is telling citizens that any county employee you meet might have any number or severity of felony convictions. Regardless of the attorney’s hemming and hawing above, it takes little imagination to realize that in the event of a serious crime by a county employee who is a felon, the county would be facing a political and financial disaster.

Job app disclosures in general have multiple purposes; one is to deter unsuitable applications, another is to make it possible to swiftly discharge people who turn out to have problematic pasts. Since it sounds as if the inclination is to minimize the number (and cost) of background checks, maybe a wiser and more narrowly tailored approach would be to require applicants to disclose certain classes of serious violent, sexual, or financial felonies.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50568 Rod Johnson Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:07:42 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50568 Which could be true anyway.

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/08/08/no-more-felony-box-on-county-job-forms/comment-page-1/#comment-50567 Fred Zimmerman Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:11:28 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=48059#comment-50567 So the upshot of this well-intentioned debate about the felony box is that extremely violent felons could be hired for county jobs so long as the position is not deemed “background checkable”? Whoops.

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