Comments on: Ward 5 City Council: List Making it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jack F. Jack F. Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:36:25 +0000 I’m voting straight Democratic in the 4th Ward but ‘unchecking’ the box for my worthless council rep and a couple of others. If I would in the 5th I’d vote for Clark though Mr. Floyd has made several interesting points during his campaign. Hohnke is a coward and is hiding behind in the bushes, inspite of his claims to have been ‘available’ during the Primary campaign. Pathetic.

By: John Dory John Dory Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:26:49 +0000 Pete, don’t hold your breath.

I was disappointed that Hohnke did not appear, nor give any valid excuse for not appearing.

Give him a “zero” for effort.

It is one one the reasons I am supporting John Floyd.

John has taken the time to appear at City Council meetings and act as an advocate for the citizens of Ann Arbor.

Even Newcombe Clark has actually gone through the motions of a campaign and gone toe-to-toe with the Mayor, which I appreciate.

Floyd’s and Clark’s enemies in this campaign are straight-ticket Democrats. It may all but guarantee Hohnke’s re-election.

By: Pete Richards Pete Richards Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:47:24 +0000 Revealing and illustrative, far too rarely do we see how a candidate might act as they work to represent their constituents. Daring and creative attaboys to Chronicle and candidates Clark and Floyd.

Councilman Hoehnke, you are asking for reelection; where were you and why did you choose to not participate? I’m a longtime ward 5 voter and would appreciate your response.

By: Rod Johnson Rod Johnson Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:50:07 +0000 I think you’re niggling over a minor infelicity of wording–if you replace the word “compete” with the word “strive” everything makes perfect sense, and it’s disingenuous to act otherwise.

By: John Floyd John Floyd Sat, 30 Oct 2010 04:40:40 +0000 @3 Mr. Koroi

Thank you for your kind remarks. My guess is that others are waiting for someone to show that it can be done.

As to the discussion at the end, Mr. Clark seems to have some deep, inexpressible longing – because I kept trying to get him to tell us what his vision was, and all he could seem to come up with was that it was NOT growth in numbers. He never quite seemed able to say what it was we were lacking, just that he was unhappy with our community as it is.

As to Mr. Clark’s statement that we are competing for sustainability, growth and happiness, the only one that makes sense to me is growth. I don’t think that sustainability or happiness are things that we compete for. Your sustainability does not make me less sustainable, and the idea that we compete for happiness, as if there were a finite amount of happiness in the universe, does not sound like something we would pick up in a yoga class. This leaves us with growth. Growth, to me, does sound like something one does compete for: if we draw population from some other city, they go down, we go up.

Does anyone know why we are doubling the capacity of the city’s sewer system?

I am surprised at how much this election conversation reminds me of Sinclair Lewis’ “Main Street”.

Chronicle: good job, and thank you again for something creative and informative that serves the greater good.

John Floyd
Republican for Council
5th Ward

By: Vivienne Armentrout Vivienne Armentrout Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:44:00 +0000 @DrData, thanks for the info. The ACS is what comes up most easily if you search.

I’m looking forward to December 31 and the “real” numbers.

By: David Cahill David Cahill Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:26:42 +0000 What a wonderful event! The idea of list-making followed by discussions turned out to be a fine way for us to learn about what each of the participating candidates think.

I hope the Chronicle does this again. And again.

By: DrData DrData Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:39:00 +0000 I also raised the issue of Clark’s demographic numbers. I would not have raised the issue had it been in the ballpark. Perhaps he was using 2000 data or it was the larger Detroit metropolitan area – which would dilute the young adult population somewhat. But, his response did not clarify matters and I cannot find any scenario that comes up with that number or close to that number.

On a technical note to go with my Name, the ACS data are not supposed to be used for population counts:

Here’s the quote from the Census Bureau:

Although the American Community Survey (ACS) also produces population, demographic and housing unit estimates, it is the Population Estimates Program that produces and disseminates the official estimates of the population for the nation, states, counties, cities and towns and estimates of housing units for states and counties.

So, if you look at the ACS2008 population for the city of Detroit and compare it to the Pop Estimates number there is a big discrepancy. ACS (2008): 777,493 Estimates (2008): 912,632

Starting with the 2009 release, the ACS is using some sub-county estimates so that there isn’t this wide discrepancy for cities that do not span an entire county. Cleveland/Cuyahoga County is another comparison with pretty wide discrepancies. between ACS population and the Pop Estimate number.

We’ll find out with the 2010 Census, we’ll have a better handle on the population of Detroit city.

And, in the case of Ann Arbor, the ACS/Pop Estimates are quite close to each other. Armentrout’s number is more on the spot than 120,000. But, 120,000 is closer than that 6% number, which started the comment in the first place.

By: Mark Koroi Mark Koroi Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:10:36 +0000 I would like to thank Mr. Floyd for taking the time and effort to be the only Republican running for City Council this year.

I am disappointed that no other Republicans (or any other party except Democrats) appear on the City Council ballot.

By: Stew Nelson Stew Nelson Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:06:18 +0000 What an amazing encounter! I bet the two candidates learned a great deal about each other as well as the audience. The “stage” was perfectly set and “actors” played their parts with aplomb. The wouldn’t have opened up more even if they were sitting on a Teeter Totter.