Comments on: Lansing View: Concrete Talk With Jeff Irwin http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/03/02/lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Edward Vielmetti http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/03/02/lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin/comment-page-1/#comment-63429 Edward Vielmetti Mon, 14 Mar 2011 05:23:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=58673#comment-63429 Robert, regarding “truly competitive bidding” for building processes, that’s an ideal; the truth is sometimes different, e.g. [link] regarding a bid-rigging scheme in a public housing contract in Detroit.

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By: Robert LaJeunesse http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/03/02/lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin/comment-page-1/#comment-63384 Robert LaJeunesse Sun, 13 Mar 2011 01:50:41 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=58673#comment-63384 Dave, the teachers to Clark Construction analogy is so bogus I’m disappointed you didn’t jump on it. That teacher Patti “loves” it indicates yet another teacher with reality problems.

When a construction contract for a building is let there will be a truly competitive bidding process whereby multiple entities evaluate the task and propose a solution and a cost for that solution. The buyer has a true choice, and the contract is readily honered by both parties. Has competition or true choice ever happened with teacher contract talks? Not to my knowledge. With teacher unions it’s a “take it or go without” contract negotiation. No competition what so ever, and the school board ends up pushed to some pain level every negotiation. Often the contract is reached under duress, as if the union held a gun to the school board (and the public it represents.) If there were four or five teacher “unions” bidding for each school or district, now that would make for a fair analogy and be most interesting!

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/03/02/lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin/comment-page-1/#comment-63148 Rod Johnson Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:44:18 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=58673#comment-63148 I know if someone told me I had to give them $5000 (or even $591, at certain times of the month) I would be hard-pressed to come up with it immediately. I assume they’ll pay up eventually, and the County probably won’t go broke in the meantime.

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By: Mark Koroi http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/03/02/lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin/comment-page-1/#comment-63142 Mark Koroi Fri, 04 Mar 2011 14:45:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=58673#comment-63142 Thank you for the update, Mary.

The fact that Wes Prater has reimbursed the county a substantial sum cited in the audit is also recent (and welcome) news.

I remain flabbergasted and disappointed that two sitting county commissioners have still failed to repay disbursements found not properly payable by the recent audit.

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By: Mary Morgan http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/03/02/lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin/comment-page-1/#comment-63117 Mary Morgan Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:36:45 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=58673#comment-63117 Re. Jeff Irwin’s per diem repayments: According to an update I received earlier today from Washtenaw County, he has paid the $100 amount that the audit report determined he owed. According to the county finance office, two current commissioners (Barbara Bergman and Conan Smith) and two former commissioners (Jessica Ping and Ken Schwartz) have not yet paid:

UNPAID
Barbara Bergman       1,875.33
Jessica Ping          5,002.68
Ken Schwartz          1,054.60
Conan Smith             591.39

PAID
Leah Gunn                25.00
Jeff Irwin              100.00
Kristin Judge            25.00
Mark Ouimet          14,385.88
Wes Prater            1,834.91
Rolland Sizemore Jr.     65.52

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This issue was addressed by Tom Wieder during public commentary at the March 2, 2011 county board of commissioners meeting. Wieder – who had initially raised the issue in early October of 2010 – again called for commissioners who hadn’t yet paid to write their checks. (A full account of his remarks will be in an upcoming Chronicle report about the March 2 board meeting.)

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By: Mark Koroi http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/03/02/lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin/comment-page-1/#comment-63049 Mark Koroi Thu, 03 Mar 2011 03:22:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=58673#comment-63049 Jeff Irwin was known for making tough stands when he chaired the county Commission. Under his guidance, the county defeated Sherif Minzey in a court battle in Monroe County. Minzey was later voted out of office and found work with Wackenhut Security. He denied modifications to the court building requested by the circuit court judiciary and the judges later backed down.

One thing Jeff has apparently not done, however, and that is pay back per diem monies that a recent audit found were not properly payable. Thus far four commissioners have paid these back – Rolland Sizemore, Leah Gunn, Mark Ouimet, and Ms. Judge.

Admittedly, Mr. Irwin has only a negligible amount due and owing per the audit, however he remains one of six commissioners cited in the audit report who have not paid as of yet.

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By: Sabrina Gross http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/03/02/lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin/comment-page-1/#comment-63044 Sabrina Gross Thu, 03 Mar 2011 01:57:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=58673#comment-63044 The County did the OPPOSITE of the “Clark Construction analogy” a few years ago – they had an agreement and then reversed it. In the late 90s, the county had moved employees away from a defined benefit plan (pension) to a defined CONTRIBUTION plan and then the County reversed this decision 3 years ago and moved back into the Pension plan, creating significant long term obligations.

To continue the analogy, this would be like the cement contractor agreeing he was going to be paid a certain amount for pouring the concrete, and then his trucks break down, his wife divorces him and wants half of his business, and other maladies. so the employer feels sorry for him and agrees to have the town fund the cement contractor’s pension and pay for health care. He also encourages the cement contractor to retire earlier than the average worker; now the town funds this pension/health care for a longer period of time.

Some municipalities in Michigan are facing the tipping point where the the number of pension fund’s retirees exceeds active workers. Awareness and caution with mature pension plans (like the county’s) will diminish future problems that taxpayers (and my kids) will have to fund.

An interview with the county Retirement Commission and a review of past decisions may be timely.

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By: TeacherPatti http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/03/02/lansing-view-concrete-talk-with-jeff-irwin/comment-page-1/#comment-63036 TeacherPatti Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:26:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=58673#comment-63036 I love the Clark Construction analogies. And also what he had to say about how we should focus on K-12, not just higher ed. I do teach in Detroit and while my school is pretty cool (great principal, very diverse students), I can tell you that I don’t know of a single teacher who would send her kids to most (not all) of the public schools in Detroit. Obviously I’m biased, but I don’t think the answer is to pay us less, make us into for-profit charters or take away our contracts….

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