Comments on: PAC Gets Update on Fuller Road Station http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/05/21/pac-gets-update-on-fuller-road-station/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pac-gets-update-on-fuller-road-station it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/05/21/pac-gets-update-on-fuller-road-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66334 Jim Rees Thu, 26 May 2011 13:29:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=63981#comment-66334 The current Amtrak station, while small and dysfunctional, is across the street from one restaurant/bar and down the block from another, and an easy and pleasant walk to town. What kind of “gateway to the City” would the new station be? It’s going to be huge and creepy with that giant parking structure attached to it and no one around. Getting downtown on foot or bike from there is a very unpleasant experience with the Fuller / Med Ctr Drive intersection in the way. Anyone who has never been to Ann Arbor and gets off the train there is going to have a very bad impression of our town.

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By: SGA2 http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/05/21/pac-gets-update-on-fuller-road-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66181 SGA2 Mon, 23 May 2011 19:28:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=63981#comment-66181 If there are a couple of passing places, fast trains can pass stopping trains and it makes the whole thing work better for many more people. More expensive to set up, though.

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By: Tom Whitaker http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/05/21/pac-gets-update-on-fuller-road-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66173 Tom Whitaker Mon, 23 May 2011 17:07:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=63981#comment-66173 Alice Ralph makes a good point about the Fuller Road Parking Structure getting in the way of a reasonable community discussion about rail, whether it is high speed or commuter or whatever.

Proponents of this project are biting off way more than they can chew; trying to stuff a huge parking structure (that will immediately undermine any mass-transit commuter rail), bus transfer station, bike parking, etc., onto river-adjacent parkland that has taken years to assemble, and is located well away from the urban center of the community.

By all means, let’s talk about cooperative ways to reduce congestion and improve the efficiency of transportation in Ann Arbor. Let’s talk about rail, too. But this enormous parking structure on parkland, which will only benefit UM, is simply a non-starter and a distraction.

Fuller Road, two decades ago, was a pleasant drive through natural areas, recreational parks, and North Campus, which was developed with an emphasis on maintaining the natural woodsy environment. Now the drive is just one parking lot after another, from UM Hospital to Glazier Way, where even more parking lots absorb the heat of the day. Our Huron River greenway, is now a parkway, as in parking lots, not parks. The least they could do is eliminate all those satellite surface lots in trade for building this car warehouse.

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By: Brandon http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/05/21/pac-gets-update-on-fuller-road-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66171 Brandon Mon, 23 May 2011 15:00:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=63981#comment-66171 The distinction of what is and what isn’t commuter rail can get blurry in California and the Northeast, but Amtrak doesn’t do commuter rail.

In fact, it’s forbidden by law to start up commuter rail operations. The Passenger Rail Investment and Improvement Act limits Amtrak to funding the Northeast Corridor and trains that travel at least 750 miles. Amtrak’s mandate from day one has been to provide intercity services.

Amtrak can operate a commuter rail system, which it does in several cities across the country, and could do here. But that’s on a contract basis, with Amtrak essentially providing the engineers, conductors and maintenance staff.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/05/21/pac-gets-update-on-fuller-road-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66134 Vivienne Armentrout Sun, 22 May 2011 17:17:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=63981#comment-66134 It is not a true statement that Amtrak doesn’t do commuter rail. I commuted by Amtrak for over 8 years (San Diego area – Los Angeles area). I rode with many fellow commuters and times were adjusted for business travel. There was even a discounted travel coupon book with 10 rides per book.

I don’t know to what extent Amtrak supports commuter systems elsewhere, but a quick search found this example: “Acela Express offers hourly service downtown to downtown during peak morning and afternoon rush hours between New York, Washington, DC and intermediate cities“.

Reviewing the schedule, I find that a commute between Philadelphia and New York would be very doable, though expensive. There are at least 8 trains from Philadelphia to New York leaving before 8:00 and arriving before 9:00. Different trains cost more or less depending on amenities but the cheapest is $48 one way (leaves before 6 a.m.). These trains have some intermediate stops but no train stops at all of them, so from various locations in New Jersey one would have to select from a lesser number of choices.

The projected commuter train to Detroit has many stops, including Ypsilanti, the not yet built station in Westland (for Detroit Metro via shuttle), and Dearborn. “Milk train” stops like this slow down commuting quite a bit. The current train from Detroit to Ann Arbor leaves at 6:48 and arrives in Ann Arbor at 7:48, with one stop in Dearborn. The ticket cost is $11.00, a bargain. When I was commuting by train, the ticket cost consumed about 30% of my pretax income (commuting costs are not tax-deductible).

If Amtrak is not to operate a commuter rail in this area, that imposes a whole new level of operational requirements on any hypothetical commuter system. I wonder whether those have been spelled and costed out recently. There are so many complicating factors to operating a commuter service that will work, not just on an engineering basis, but on the basis of time and affordability that will bring adequate ridership.

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