Comments on: Ann Arbor Dems Primary: Two for Ward 2 http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/27/ann-arbor-dems-primary-two-for-ward-2/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ann-arbor-dems-primary-two-for-ward-2 it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/27/ann-arbor-dems-primary-two-for-ward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-69844 John Floyd Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:36:54 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68560#comment-69844 I live in the 5th Ward as well, and my kids play Huron Hills all the time. I play there when I can. I love driving by all that expanse of green hillside and plain. Operations are greatly improved at HH – it’s more like a conventional course now, and no longer looks like the run-down afterthought of a city in decline. I applaud the city for its improvement of HH.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/27/ann-arbor-dems-primary-two-for-ward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-69666 Vivienne Armentrout Thu, 28 Jul 2011 01:44:25 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68560#comment-69666 I think the Huron Hills golf course has benefits to the community beyond its use as a golf course. I live on the other side of town but I experience a wonderful feeling of peace and tranquility driving down Huron Parkway (hope they really don’t put an ugly mural on those walls) because this is one of our very best civic viewsheds.

Parks has to pay that huge administrative overhead too.

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By: DrData http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/27/ann-arbor-dems-primary-two-for-ward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-69664 DrData Thu, 28 Jul 2011 01:13:54 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68560#comment-69664 Have the golf courses always been enterprise funds?

I think it is more likely that a golf course could be run at a profit more than a park like Almendinger (how many rentals would it take AP to be profitable). But, the overhead the city charges the golf courses is way out of line. There are very few permanent staff associated with the courses and the city’s support (via website, etc.) of the courses is abysmal.

At some point, we may decide we can’t afford to run golf courses, but I would mothball the course for a few years and make sure of it. The Miles of Golf proposal would have ruined the golf course so that when that idea failed, the only choice would be to sell that very choice, expensive land.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/27/ann-arbor-dems-primary-two-for-ward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-69648 Vivienne Armentrout Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:52:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68560#comment-69648 I think part of the idea about the golf courses (not the parks in a general sense) being self-sustaining arises partly because the golf courses are an enterprise fund, which implicitly indicates that they must be self-sustaining, because of the structure of the fund. Thus each time additional money has been put in to bring that enterprise fund into balance, it has been presented as the general fund subsidizing it.

The broader question of the way our parks are being pushed into a similar categorization because of the parks maintenance millage needs some vigilance. After the millage was passed, many task were pushed into the millage-based fund and some attempt to make a zero sum operation out of the parks in general was made by the former administrators Roger Fraser and Jayne Miller. I am still bitter about how this push eliminated the funding for Project Grow. I don’t recall exactly when and where, but I think the Chronicle recently alluded to this general fund/millage fund issue, where council had passed a resolution that the same amount would be spent from the general fund as before on parks, but that has been subject to a lot of “jiggering” (my interpretation, not the Chronicle’s).

Ironically, recent writing across the nation has been making it clear that parks not only enhance quality of life, but are characteristic of economically viable cities and have a direct impact on attracting desirable (entrepreneurial, young, etc.) persons to a city. This was cited by one of our major voices for economic development: see [link]

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By: Patricia Lesko http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/27/ann-arbor-dems-primary-two-for-ward-2/comment-page-1/#comment-69635 Patricia Lesko Wed, 27 Jul 2011 18:12:08 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=68560#comment-69635 This is quite the thorough write up, and the back story information (Nelson Teeter Talk interview, i.e.) inserted between the major items is quite helpful and interesting. Some of the summation, however, glosses over important facts. You write:

“In late 2010, the city ended an RFP process that had asked outside entities to handle golf operations at Huron Hills, ultimately deciding that the proposal selected as a finalist, from Miles of Golf, not be pursued further. In broad strokes, the city’s two golf courses have been performing somewhat better than projected over the last couple of years, based on implementation of a range of recommendations made by the golf consultant dating back to 2007. According to the city, the courses are not self-sustaining at this point.”

1. Could you please point to the Council resolution or portion of the Charter where it is required that parks will be self-sustaining? Your acceptance of this load of malarky as fact is somewhat disappointing. If parks are to be self-sustaining, I’m sure the new Police-Court building will be self-sustaining, as well, right along with the City Attorney and IT departments, right?

This notion that the parks are sucking money out of the GF has been used as a disingenuous reason to “repurpose” or privatize parkland. That the media accept and repeat the idea that parks are supposed to be self-sustaining (in your case by pointing out that HH is NOT self-sustaining), is repeating political propaganda as fact.

2. Rapundalo chaired the Golf Advisory Task Force to which the owner of Miles of Golf was appointed. Well before the RFP was issued, the owner of Miles of Golf went privately to city staff to present his own plan to privatize the operations of the course. This was a serious conflict of interest, and when the conflict was pointed out to Rapundalo by another member of the committee at a February 2010 meeting, the member who brought the conflict to the committee’s attention was rebuked. It was a nauseating display of Rapundalo’s “leadership” abilities. I wrote about the meeting, which I attended, here: [link].

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