Comments on: Column: Rodriguez and The Michigan Man http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: David Fitzpatrick http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-79687 David Fitzpatrick Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:58:34 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-79687 Sorry, John, but your excuses for the complete collapse of defense under the Rodriguez regime does not wash.

1) It was RR’s choice to force both Schaffer and Robinson to work with assistants he brought from WVU and to run his version of the 3-3-5. SS and GR had their hands tied, and there is no reason to believe that was ever going to be fixed.

2) Michigan had 8 starters returning on a defense that had been 24th in the nation in 2007 and had substantial talent percolating up (e.g., Obe Ezeh). That Ezeh and others performed so poorly subsequently is because they were so poorly coached, and we know that is the case because . . .

3) With ten starters returning in 2011 from a defense that was 110th in total defense in 2010, Michigan is 14th in the nation in total defense as of 11/20, the morning after the Nebraska game. One does not go from 110th to 14th simply due to the guys being a year older. That happens due to coaching. And the crew broadcasting the Illinois game confirmed this in their description of the defense’s performance against Miss. State last year–they described (my words) a Chinese Fire Drill. But those of us who had been in Michigan Stadium for the previous three years were not surprised by what happened in the Miss. State game. We had been seeing it for three years.

So, Mr. Bacon, I’ll not be buying your book. If this column represents your level of objectivity regarding the worse three years in the history of a storied football program, the book is not objective at all.

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By: Wm Wilson http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-76327 Wm Wilson Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:15:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-76327 The book has to be seen in its proper context: Bacon’s major source and door-opener was RR; so the book slants substantially in RR’s favor. That’s common in non-fiction: Bob Woodward, Joe Klein, Ron Suskind — they’re all guilty of the same “bias” toward the principal sources in books they’ve written.
As is also true of many other “insider” portrayals, the book’s villains tend to be the easiest ones to attack: the now-deposed and powerless B Martin, and the Freep. The fact that Martin was easy to attack doesn’t suggest he didn’t deserve it; in fact, he deserved a more scathing portrayal, if all facts are assessed. And Bacon’s review of the Freep & the NCAA charges was facile: he hammered on the “countable” vs “non-countable” CARA hours, but failed to recognize that the distinction, and any close analysis was crippled by the complete absence of ANY CARA’s maintained for 18 mo –they were all made up at the end, what ones were submitted. (Labadie & Draper’s claims that they couldn’t submit any until they “had them all” is laughable.)
This is not to say that the book isn’t solid and worth reading, just a warning that the book lacks a sober, skeptical picture of RR’s role.

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By: Jonas Brother Paul http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-76213 Jonas Brother Paul Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:46:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-76213 As bad as Rich Rod was at Michigan, I believed from Day 1 that he was not given the support needed from insiders. This book is proving that to be correct. Lloyd Carr is one selfish S O B and is not a true Michigan Man either.

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By: David http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-76155 David Tue, 25 Oct 2011 02:20:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-76155 I admire your guts in writing a truthful (as you saw it) appraisal of the RichRod years. I hope it does not affect your writing career.

Not surprisingly, the UM athletic department is not unlike any other corporate organization or university academic department where politics are just as important as performance. From what I have seen, this book gives the sports fan an inside look to an organization that has been off-limits until now. Could this book be the “Ball Four” of college football?

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By: D. L. H. http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-75956 D. L. H. Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:53:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-75956 MINNESOTABLUE: The “shame” comes from people like you, who hold an opinion without access to half of the information regarding a situation, then adhere to that opinion despite the lost information coming out to contradict what had been, up to that point, accepted as the truth.

The book sheds light on shady dealings that Rich Rodriguez publicly took the fall for, yet peoples’ opinions of Rodriguez aren’t changing in light of the facts. That, sir, is a much greater shame.

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By: unclefred http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-75862 unclefred Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:43:16 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-75862 Rodriguez was a terrible fit he was also a poor coach. When he arrived, rather than adapt his system to the available talent and gradually acquire talent return to his ideal, he drove away good talent and lost. You may notice a slight difference this year.

He blamed his players not taking personal responsibility for outcomes, making a variety of excuses along the way. You many notice a slight difference this year.

He played loose with the rules and got Michigan its first ever NCAA violation, then claimed innocence/ignorance. You may notice a slight difference this year.

It was about him, not the program, not the players, him. At least publicly he seemed to place his ego ahead of everything else. You may notice a slight difference this year.

MIchigan football is not JUST about winning. Winning is important, but so is playing like champions whether in defeat or victory. Coaches are expected to more a lot more than just win. Rodriguez was a full grown adult the day he set foot on campus. He should not have needed to have his entry smoothed. He should have read about the program and its history, it is not a secret. But his getting the job was only ever about him. You may notice a slight difference this year.

Make all the excuses you may, swing the hammer at MIchigan men all day long, but recognize that even had Rodriguez won as long as he did not have the character to be head coach at Michigan. You will notice a difference this year.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-75846 Rod Johnson Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:36:43 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-75846 “Lloyd isn’t perfect– no one is– but he is a Michigan Man”

This is Completely Inane.

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By: Mark Thomas http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-75820 Mark Thomas Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:24:45 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-75820 It appears a very bitter LC was doing everything he could to make sure whoever was the coach did not succeed by telling recruits to not attend M, telling others to leave M, working with Percy Bates to help deny admissions to recruits etc all while getting paid $388K annually as an Associate AD for UM.

It almost appears as if LC/Brandon–who both have MarySues ear—successfully undermined the AD & football coach to get control.

Don’t shoot the messenger. Bacon has a lot more cred than either LC or Brandon

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By: minnesotablue http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-75807 minnesotablue Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:01:54 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-75807 I couldn’t agree more regarding your last comment, Mr. Bacon- the Michigan that I have come to know and love shouldn’t take issue with the truth. I just hope what you espouse to be “the truth” is exactly that.

Obviously there is editorializing in your book and, based off the two columns you have now written, it seems to me, if anything, you have chosen to take it light on both Rich Rodriguez and Bill Martin. If that should prove to be true then I will be sorely disappointed, for these are two adults who clearly had the most influence as to whether or not this transition was going to happen. And, in my estimation, they both failed quite miserably.

I can surmise what some of your comments will be in regard to Lloyd’s role in Rich’s demise, if he takes as much issue with the book as you’ve led your potential readers to believe. That’s a shame. Lloyd isn’t perfect– no one is– but he is a Michigan Man… one of the greatest. And there is no doubt in my mind that whatever Lloyd’s supposed role was in Rich’s demise that it was only with the intent of doing what is best for Michigan, not for Rich. While the delineation between the Head Football Coach at Michigan and yet that which is “Michigan” is a tricky one, I tend to side with those who believe an institution to not be defined by bricks and mortar, but by the individuals of which it is comprised. And if Rich Rodriguez was not the right choice (and, honestly, who amongst us is still suggesting he was?), then would it be of bad intent, as a “Michigan Man”, to make those thoughts known? Or to use your position to gain influence in righting what you view as a wrong?

If you are truly a Michigan Man– by anyone’s definition– how do you NOT attempt to do what you believe to be in the best interest of Michigan?

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By: Mary Morgan http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/10/21/column-rodriguez-vs-the-michigan-man/comment-page-1/#comment-75803 Mary Morgan Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:10:21 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=74479#comment-75803 Re. “successor” – thanks for pointing that out. I should have caught that in editing – it’s fixed.

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