Comments on: Council Takes Step to Alter Pedestrian Law http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-78508 Jim Rees Fri, 18 Nov 2011 02:46:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-78508 Huron strikes me as a lost cause, but I’m glad there are still people fighting for it. It’s going to take more than just putting in nice buildings. Consider the stretch from Third west to Revena. Some of the nicest houses in town are on that stretch, but they might as well be prisons because the traffic has completely ruined walkability there. The loss of nice buildings on Huron is simply an acknowledgement that we’ve already lost the street.

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By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-78499 John Floyd Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:27:02 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-78499 @11 Andy,

On Main St, Liberty, Washington, State, zero setback makes perfect sense. On Huron east of Division (the subject of my remarks), I see it as a detriment (see @12 Rod J., directly above). I did not make a statement about setbacks in general, but rather about E. Huron, the 500 block in particular.

My point on Huron is that there is a several-blocks long stretch of monument-style buildings (from the Power Center to Division), with setbacks, grass/shrubs/plantings and trees on the south side. The one exception to this is the U’s new North Quad, which has no setback at all on Huron, and presents a 10-story vertical wall with little street-level presence. Most of that property is controlled by the U; the 500 block contains two churches, two historic houses, and the site of soon-to-be The Varsity. No doubt tastes differ, but I’m not seeing much contribution from North Quad to the pedestrian experience (much like the Michigan Bell building, although, to its credit, North Quad is in other ways a more-elegant monument-type building).

The current Professional Building (The Varsity site) is butt-ugly at present, as is most of the other side of Huron on that block. .We had a chance to zone the 500 block of E. Huron (both sides!) to encourage reflection of the elegant, green, monument style of the rest of Huron. This would have made this stretch a true gateway to downtown – but instead, council put us on a one-way ticket to palookaville.

The Varsity is built with Huron St. as its “Servants Entrance”, with no consideration of its surroundings and how it interacts with them. Even as a “Modernist” structure, unconscious of its own context, it’s not an attractive building. With its sea-to-shining-sea massing, 4 stories taller than North Quad, and back-door presence, I don’t see how it will enhance the pedestrian experience much.

It was obvious that the current building there was obsolete, and that something bigger/taller was likely to be/needed to be built there. It’s just that we had the chance to encourage something that did not block the sun, dwarf and ignore its surroundings, and did not detract from, rather than add to, the “Gateway” look of the street. Mindless, robotic application of one idea (“density”) over all other considerations will not serve us well over time. This is what I meant by “civic vandalism”.

I am still working to articulate the idea of Church Desecration in a manner that speaks to a largely unchurched readership.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-77718 Rod Johnson Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:33:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-77718 Setbacks can definitely be too big or too small. Buildings that come right up to the sidewalk can be good, but often no attention is paid to how they relate to the street. The Michigan Bell (or whatever it’s called now) building a block farther down is the best (that is, worst) negative example I’ve ever seen. It pretty much ruins that whole block of Huron, not that Huron’s streetscape is much to write home about in general. I really hope we’re not going to repeat that mistake with the 400 block.

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By: Andy http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-77671 Andy Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:44:01 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-77671 RE: #4 — I will offer a contrary perspective, which is that setbacks tend to further hinder walkability by decreasing density/increasing walking distances. Not something I would find desirable downtown. Just my 2 cents.

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By: cosmonıcan http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-77666 cosmonıcan Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:05:42 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-77666 Dave posted note 8 with the ordinance while I was writing. I should point out that the police declined to prosecute because the papers had been left on my driveway, not a “public place.”

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By: cosmonıcan http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-77660 cosmonıcan Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:20:55 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-77660 I sent a community standards violation email to the police department a couple years back, with time stamped photos of A2.COM papers littering the driveway, cc’d same to publisher of the paper. They stopped leaving me that junk right away, put me on a list, said call them if it happens again — which I have.

Oddly, the police said I should file a criminal littering complaint, but whatever, it stopped. Did the same with the A2 JOURNAL, they stopped too.

Just bitch a lot, collect evidence, and bug the police over and over again. The litter will stop.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-77659 Dave Askins Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:12:36 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-77659 Re: [7] “isn’t littering already illegal?”

There’s actually a provision in the city code that doesn’t require analysis of a publication as inherently “litter” in order to make it illegal to toss it just any-old-where. You can’t deliver a newspaper by throwing it onto a sidewalk, for example.

From Chapter 82 of the code of the city of Ann Arbor:

7:97. – Distributing handbills or newspapers.
No person shall throw or deposit any handbill or newspaper upon any sidewalk, street, park or other public place except for drop-off distribution points for newspapers to be delivered the same day as distributed. However, it shall not be unlawful for a person to hand out or distribute a handbill or newspaper to any person willing to accept it.
(Ord. No. 14-64, 3-30-64; Ord. No. 63-78, 11-6-78; Ord. No. 15-02, § 4, 4-15-02)

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By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-77656 Jim Rees Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:56:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-77656 Isn’t littering already illegal?

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-77650 Alan Goldsmith Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:27:09 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-77650 “Christopher Taylor (Ward 3) said that many constituents had communicated their displeasure about undesired delivery of newspapers and other commercial handbills to their residences. He said he was working with Carsten Hohnke (Ward 5) on an ordinance change that would address that issue.”

If Taylor can make AnnArbor.com go away…oh never mind. Lol

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By: Kai Petainen http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/12/council-takes-step-to-alter-pedestrian-law/comment-page-1/#comment-77635 Kai Petainen Mon, 14 Nov 2011 05:52:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=75745#comment-77635 Amazing coverage. Thanks again!

“Kunselman then alluded to the fact that Rapundalo enjoys dual Canadian-U.S. citizenship, and told him to “go have some fun, eh.”

i may have disagreed on issues… but i think it was cool to see a canadian at city hall.

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