Comments on: Column: Meaningful Space in Ann Arbor http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-93262 Jim Rees Wed, 04 Apr 2012 03:14:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-93262 When even Vivienne is unsure of the legal status of these crosswalks, I’d say we have a big problem. Yes, they are legally crosswalks, and cars are required to yield to pedestrians in them. The relevant law is Michigan Vehicle Code Act 300 of 1949, 257.10 “Cross-walk” defined.

The situation is less clear at, for example, Eighth and Huron. If the sidewalk doesn’t extend to the edge of the road, I don’t know whether it’s a crosswalk or not, and I have never met anyone who could tell me despite many years of asking. I have even searched case law. I don’t think anyone knows.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-93227 Vivienne Armentrout Tue, 03 Apr 2012 15:26:05 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-93227 Re #12: this may have been meant humorously, but it is a serious question that needs to be asked. We do have curb ramps that lead across streets but have no special markings. Do they have any legal status or not?

I was considering this the other day as I stood at one on Depot Street and watched the traffic whiz by at full speed without, apparently, even considering whether I was about to cross.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-93185 Rod Johnson Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:27:41 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-93185 If a crosswalk is unmarked, can it be said to “be there”? *puffs pipe, rubs jaw pensively*

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By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-93037 Jim Rees Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:28:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-93037 I wasn’t being entirely serious. I understand that the concept doesn’t work in a place like that without some serious calming measures. I was talking about crossing Huron at Ninth. The crosswalk there is completely unmarked, and the drivers don’t seem to know it’s there.

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By: Philip Proefrock http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-93021 Philip Proefrock Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:57:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-93021 Not sure what intersection you may mean, Jim. Doublechecking with Google street view shows a stop sign for 9th at Huron.

If it’s not there in the real world, it’s a temporary thing, I suspect.

The term woonerf applies to a street or a district, not a single intersection.

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By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-93015 Jim Rees Sat, 31 Mar 2012 00:25:45 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-93015 We have a woonerf intersection (one with no signage or signals) at Huron and Ninth that I went through today on my way home today. It didn’t work for me.

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By: Philip Proefrock http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-92946 Philip Proefrock Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:04:23 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-92946 Murph, yes, I think your description of woonerf streets (streets without control signage) is exactly right. It’s a designed absence, and that too, conveys what is expected (that everyone will be careful and exercise due caution). But it needs to be in a place where there is enough surrounding structural roughness (cross streets, intersections, pedestrians, etc) that it will work. A woonerf strategy probably would not work on a more open road like Plymouth Road.

Multi-lane roads also work less effectively in this way than single lane ones do. Think about the way that an intersection with traffic lights works when the power goes out. Those with single lanes tend to work more elegantly and efficiently than those with multiple lanes, left-turn lanes, and the like.

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By: Murph http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-92945 Murph Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:27:12 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-92945 Phil, while I love that you’ve included the woonerf in your write-up, I had been planning to bring it up as a counter-example. Where ped islands and HAWKs and bump-outs convey expectations of pedestrian activity through the design, the explanation I usually see of the woonerf is that it conveys a lack of expectation, specifically, of who may have (or have to yield) the “right of way”. Where all the other elements work to more clearly demonstrate right of way, the woonerf removes it, and forces a consciousness of other road users of all types.

Of a kind, in one of the cities I work in, a councilmember explained that several residential neighborhoods have no stop signs (or yield, or anything) at the intersections, for similar reasons–no driver can assume the person on the cross-street is going to stop, so they both have to slow down to figure it out; a child on the sidewalk can’t look at a stop sign and assume that the oncoming car is going to stop, reinforcing the “look both ways” mandate. I didn’t have a chance to ask about the actual performance of this scheme, but it was the first time locally I’d run across a conscious application of this principle (albeit decades old).

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By: Tom Brandt http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-92935 Tom Brandt Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:44:54 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-92935 Jeff, I am one of the co-owners of Workantile, and wanted to clarify what we are and why the space is the way it is.

Workantile is a community of independent and remote workers who for any number of reasons are tired of working in isolation in home offices, coffee shops, libraries, or wherever, and want other people around. There are, of course, a number of social and professional benefits to having others around. The space is designed to support that community. The people who join Workantile are members of the community, not people renting space. We deliberately stayed away from individual offices because people tend to isolate themselves in them and detach from the community. Members who do need a quiet space to work use the carpeted loft. The loft is still open, but quieter than the main space.

The open floor plan gives us a lot of flexibility in reconfiguring the space as needed. For example, every Thursday we have a social lunch. We push all the tables together, and people gather around and eat together. After lunch, the tables are separated back into individual work spaces.

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By: Jeff Spindler http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/03/28/column-meaningful-space-in-ann-arbor/comment-page-1/#comment-92930 Jeff Spindler Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:44:48 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=84020#comment-92930 It seems like Workantile should have real offices. Open plan offices are nice for collaboration, but not everyone works that way.

Division Street at E Jefferson could really use a HAWK. I stopped there a couple days ago for a pedestrian and at least 20 cars went through the intersection in the other lane (including the 6 that were behind me).

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