Comments on: Column: Learning How To Lose http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/05/25/column-learning-how-to-lose/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-learning-how-to-lose it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: A2person http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/05/25/column-learning-how-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102136 A2person Sun, 27 May 2012 19:33:20 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=88801#comment-102136 I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. For what it’s worth, the teacher did not “make” it into a source of public humiliation. The game was made to be fun. But my kid found it quite stressful to perform in a high-speed public competition, and it sucked the enjoyment out of it for her.

There is quite a bit of research that shows that collaboration and cooperation in the classroom (not competition) leads to kids who are inquisitive and not afraid to take risks. This is to be compared to classrooms that produce kids primarily interested in getting the “right” answer, or winning, or besting their peers.

Happily, our school generally embraces a collaborative philosophy. These episodes were not indicative of climate in general.

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By: TeacherPatti http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/05/25/column-learning-how-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101829 TeacherPatti Sat, 26 May 2012 15:30:19 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=88801#comment-101829 a2person…I’m sorry you “take issue” with my statement. I have found just the opposite to be true. I am basing my experience on dozens of kids that I work with, and so my perspective is different. I think we are talking about different things, as I am talking about working with small groups of kids, and that may be the difference. I can’t fathom a teacher making something a source of public humiliation…when you work with small groups of kids (like I do), you are lucky enough to be able to give encouragement and props to all three or four so the ones who don’t come in first still feel awesome. I think that is the key. If a teacher is doing games in his/her classroom and kids are feeling like “losers”, then something needs to change either in the teacher, the kid or the classroom.

As an aside, competition is a part of life and I don’t know how to change that. I have an anxiety disorder myself and used to feel very anxious about competing, so I feel that pain.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/05/25/column-learning-how-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101693 Vivienne Armentrout Sat, 26 May 2012 01:47:49 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=88801#comment-101693 I’m not a sports fan, but I have come to appreciate this column as a source of valuable insights about what it is to be human, and to care about the human community. Thank you for the lessons.

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By: Edward Vielmetti http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/05/25/column-learning-how-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101673 Edward Vielmetti Fri, 25 May 2012 23:41:01 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=88801#comment-101673 I hate to sound like a four square authority (which I’m not), but it appears that the cry “Do over” is part of the general way that game is played. See [link] for a simple account of the rules, and [link] for a fantastically complicated collection of every playground’s house rule that someone was able to compile.

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By: A2person http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/05/25/column-learning-how-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101633 A2person Fri, 25 May 2012 20:38:35 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=88801#comment-101633 Field Day is fine with me, my kids enjoy the activities and competition, and losing is no big deal.

But I do take issue with teacherpatti’s suggestion that competition is a good thing in the classroom. I have found quite the opposite. When my avid reader was made to complete a “reader’s log,” and encouraged to fill it up in a race with the class, she became stressed out and anxious, and what was an extremely enjoyable activity that she did without prompting became a source of daily stress. When a competitive speed-math game was introduced in her classroom, she went from enjoying multiplication to deciding that she was bad at it, and dreading what she perceived as public humiliation in the game.

This is the same kid who plays competitive soccer, and loves it, win or lose. There’s a difference. She gets the most out of school when collaboration and cooperation are the norm. Sports are a different story.

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By: TeacherPatti http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/05/25/column-learning-how-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101556 TeacherPatti Fri, 25 May 2012 15:05:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=88801#comment-101556 I am weeping with joy at this article! It is absolutely perfect–of course, because I agree with it but also because it raises a great point in that *not everyone gets a ribbon*. As part of my job, I push into dozens of classrooms and see many examples of what John describes. I don’t mean any disrespect to the teachers–as I’m sure they mean well; I think it is more from the parents who fear that their unique snowflake might get his/her feelings hurt and his/her self esteem might lower by .008 of a notch.

In my experience, kids *like* competition. Give me two struggling readers (oh hey, I have dozens!) and put them in a race to read something and they leap to the occasion. The one who “comes in second” isn’t any worse for the wear and they have both completed the assignment.

On a personal note, I was and am NOT an athlete, so Field Day (and gym class) was like torture for me, but I knew that once we got back in the classroom and did the spelling bee, I’d finish in the top few people. Therefore, I wasn’t crushed when people didn’t rush to pick me for a team or when I came in near the bottom of the stupid egg-spoon balance thing. My parents instilled a nice sense of self esteem in me and I just knew that there were things I wasn’t good at…so what? Like John says, let the kids who struggle academically but excel athletically have their day of awesome.

I honestly can say that I worry about what will happen when some of these “unique snowflakes” with the helicopter parents stumble their way into their first jobs…bosses don’t give you ribbons and the only reward you get, generally, is to not be fired on Friday. I realize how harsh that sounds, but like I said above *not everyone gets a ribbon*

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