Comments on: Ward 1 City Council Race: Filling Sandi’s Seat it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Alan Goldsmith Alan Goldsmith Tue, 03 Jul 2012 10:21:58 +0000 You haven’t read the extensive investigation and in depth cover on this story? Lol.

By: Mark Koroi Mark Koroi Sat, 30 Jun 2012 00:39:58 +0000 Has Eric Sturgis made any public statement regarding the election law controversy as to how he was on the ballot as a candidate in two separate counties?

Or why he had claimed to be an Eastern Michigan University student although never enrolled at that school? His campaign website has withdrawn the EMU student claim.

By: Marvin Face Marvin Face Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:44:40 +0000 @Vivienne, Not being in the inner democrat circle, I did not know that, thanks.

@David Cahill, if that is indeed the case, my appologies to you, sir. Carry on…

By: Vivienne Armentrout Vivienne Armentrout Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:47:53 +0000 Oh my! It’s not just hot outside! Actually, I love this discussion about what public process really means. I’m planning a campaign post about it. The answer is…there really is no completely perfect way to determine what the public desire is. And do we mean a majority of the public, or what? Nevertheless, it is well worth discussing and this thread is a good representation of the problem.

@David Cahill: Surely you mean the project “slouched” toward council (refers to the rough beast of W.B. Yeats) Happily, it did slump, finally.

@Marvin Face: Leah Gunn is known as “Lee” to her friends. I’m sure David meant it in those terms.

By: Alan Goldsmith Alan Goldsmith Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:16:17 +0000 “The Conference Center idea was put together in a secret meeting between Jesse Bernstein (then with the Chamber of Commerce) and Roger Fraser (then City Administrator) several years ago. As the project slumped toward City Council, Council member Rapundalo refused to allow members of the public to speak at a task force meeting, violating a City Council resolution of long standing requiring that such meetings be conducted in accord with the state’s Open Meetings Act. The bad odor emanating from the project was so bad that Council pulled the plug on it. And the voters of the Second Ward pulled the plug on Rapundalo last fall.”

Which is why voters are skeptical when claims of how open and transparent and democratic the process is are made.

By: Marvin Face Marvin Face Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:57:55 +0000 Per the discussion about public input, I believe some here and many elsewhere are confusing public input with decision-making. When the public is asked for input on what they want or if they like something, it is just that: input. Thank you very much for participating and providing a valuable perspective. That input is then considered along with all the other input, data, and knowledge during the decision-making process. Just because you voiced an opinion, and even if that opinion is shared by a majority of folks who provided input, that does not make it so. I may be misrepresenting her, but I think I agree with Leah on this (David Cahill, quit being such a child and calling her Lee like you always do. It reveals how small you really are).

Also this: Pat Lesko, please retreat back beneath your rock.

By: Patricia Lesko Patricia Lesko Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:44:28 +0000 “Squabble about signs?” How condescending of you to cover up for the fact you have no idea what really happened. Though I must agree that talking to Yousef is fun and entertaining.

So, let’s say your bike was parked in front of the Arrowwood Community Center. Ryan Stanton thinks to himself, “Heck, Askins is my competitor. There’s no bike parking by city ordinance in front of the Arrowwood Community Center.” So, Stanton just TAKES your little bike and wheels it away. You him and say…what?

Do you laugh? Do you say nothing? Do you get irritated? Do you call your wife, outraged?

Would you subsequently refer to Stanton’s “removal” of your bike and the conversation about Stanton’s “removal” of your bike as a squabble, a kerfluffle? I think not. I think you might be shocked as Ryan told you you had no right to park your bike there. I think you might come pretty close to rage when he then refused to give your bike back because like he angrily explained to you: City ordinance forbids bike parking in front of the Arrowwood Community Center.

Taking things that don’t belong to us for ANY reason is wrong and inappropriate. Having your things taken is upsetting. It wasn’t a squabble. It was a woman standing up to an irrational young man who had taken her campaign signs for no good reason at all. That Ryan called it “bickering” and you a “squabble” is sexist reporting, and just plain wrong.

Treating outrageous and crazy as a kerfluffle, intimating that what happened was a squabble is disingenuous, to say the least. Your lack of empathy is disappointing. However, it’s the lack of journalistic objectivity that does a disservice to the people who were not there.

By: Alan Goldsmith Alan Goldsmith Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:38:39 +0000 “#25 Last number I saw was over $12 million. Divide 12M by 39 and you get $307,000 per unit. Each unit has 1 bdr and is about 750 square feet.”

I thought it was in the $300K range from the past reports. Thanks.

By: Dave Askins Dave Askins Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:36:12 +0000 Re: Leskos’s statement: “I’m also sure you got them after the records were first revealed on A2Politico. I’m not faulting you for checking my work after you peeked at my paper in class. I’m not even faulting you for peeking at my paper”

I called the Washtenaw County clerk’s office after receiving an email last Thursday (not from Lesko) pointing out that Sturgis had stood for election as precinct delegate in two different precincts. The clerk sent the QVF history to me on Thursday. I don’t read A2Politico.

By: Patricia Lesko Patricia Lesko Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:11:55 +0000 Dave: Election fraud is NOT my claim. I asked the County Clerk officials involved. I did original reporting with primary sources. Take it up with the Oakland County Clerk’s office whose officials DO consider putting one’s name on the ballot in their county and on the ballot in another county for the same election election fraud.

The Washtenaw County Clerk’s Office staffer (very, very helpful and instructive) was less measured. She simply blurted out in response to the questions asked: “That’s VERY bad. You can ‘t DO that!!” LOL. I have a copy of a formal letter of complaint that has been sent to the Washtenaw County Clerk (there are bets on how long Larry Kestenbaum will sit on it rather than irk his patron Leah Gunn), the Oakland County Clerk’s office and the Michigan Secretary of State.

I’m sure you got the voter registration records from the Clerk. Good for you. I’m also sure you got them after the records were first revealed on A2Politico. I’m not faulting you for checking my work after you peeked at my paper in class. I’m not even faulting you for peeking at my paper. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. However, after the kerfluffle between the AAChronicle and over Stanton’s accuracy and Dearing’s ethics it’s fair to expect you folks to give credit where it’s due, right?