Comments on: Ward 5 City Council: Studying, Listening http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ward-5-city-council-studying-listening it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Libby Hunter http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-120000 Libby Hunter Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:35:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-120000 Developers Give to Chuck

We know that the mayor, council party, and business interests are working especially hard to prevent a Vivienne win.

Word just in that in the recent days Chuck has accepted a significant contribution from a group of developers. He has amended his donation form.

You can be certain that Vivienne would not accept this kind of donation. (nor would it be offered to her…)

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By: Rick Cronn http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-119932 Rick Cronn Mon, 06 Aug 2012 23:54:57 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-119932 Good grief, there isn’t anyone on the ballot here in Ann Arbor that even remotely resembles a tea party candidate or holds to that agenda.

Give it a rest Ms Lowenstein and Mayor. This kind of silly claim really belongs in the comments section of the local news and ad blog.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-119911 Rod Johnson Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:41:30 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-119911 Bizarre rant indeed. Tarring your opponents with the “tea party” brush is a neat rhetorical trick, because you can associate (but not say, and therefore not be accountable for) other qualities sometimes attributed to the tea party (nativism, jingoism, intolerance, originalism, American exceptionalism, gun nuttery, etc.) with them. Kind of a dogwhistle to the left, I guess.

But this isn’t an ideological struggle–it’s an disagreement about exactly how to set some specific parameters within a broadly accepted status quo. And if it were an ideological struggle, for the Mayor and his allies to try to claim the role of “lefties” is ludicrous.

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By: Tom Wieder http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-119892 Tom Wieder Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:39:20 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-119892 @Joan Lowenstein – You have obviously not learned anything from the overwhelmingly negative reaction to your bizarre rant in The Ann some months ago. The idea that anyone running in Tuesday’s Democratic primaries holds positions remotely like the Tea Party’s is absurd. Making such arguments further undermines any shred of credibility you may still have. I haven’t heard any of the non-”Council Party” candidates advocate a shrinking of government. Wanting adequate police protection isn’t wanting more “police presence,” as that connotes the worst of police oppression of local neighborhoods. These candidates do not oppose public funding of the arts; they oppose a wasteful, ill-conceived, possibly illegal and clearly mismanaged program of public art funding. They do not oppose expansion of public transportation; they oppose a particular proposal they deem unwise and a particular structure they believe breaks faith with voters’ clearly expressed views about preserving parkland. They don’t oppose development that strengthens downtown; some oppose a bloated, insular, wasteful and unelected DDA that has bad judgment and worse priorities. Frequent referenda? Really? How many can you count in the last 10 years? If you think it’s too easy to get referenda on the ballot, why don’t you support a Charter amendment or Home Rule Act change to limit them? In the meantime, it’s a right guaranteed to the
voters. Joan, step back, reflect and stop talking and writing before you further embarrass yourself.

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By: Ruth Kraut http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-119869 Ruth Kraut Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:37:58 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-119869 I’ve endorsed Chuck, I’ve worked extensively with him, and I think he’ll do a good job as a thoughtful and independent mind on city council. And yes, I believe he will be an independent mind and someone who will be accessible to, and listen to, a wide range of opinions, and then make up his own mind.

But, I also know and respect Vivienne and the idea that she–or *any* of our current crop of city council candidates, for that matter–is a “tea partier” is completely laughable to me. The whole point of a representative democracy is that people can disagree.

Just as an example: Candidate A might support a development because A believes that it will strengthen downtown. Candidate B might oppose the same development because B believes it will weaken downtown. That does not make either candidate a tea partier, and it doesn’t mean that either candidate will support, or oppose, all development going into the future.

One thing both Chuck and Vivienne agree on is that public processes need to engage the public more. I’m looking forward to that.

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By: Tom Whitaker http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-119862 Tom Whitaker Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:41:23 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-119862 City Council members cannot simply recuse themselves from voting. The city charter compels council members to cast a “yes” or “no” vote on each question before them on the agenda unless six other council members vote to excuse them due to some personal financial interest. Once a concern is raised about a potential financial interest of a council member, a motion to excuse must be put forward, seconded, and voted on. For example Council Member Hohnke once told his fellow council members that he had a potential conflict on the City Place matter and gave them the option of excusing him from voting on it. No one made a motion to do so. At that point, Council Member Hohnke was compelled by the city charter to vote on the matter.

Meetings of the Council
Section 4.4.
….

(f) Except as otherwise provided in this charter, each member of the Council
present shall cast a “yes” or “no” vote on each question before the Council,
unless excused therefrom by a vote of at least six members.
….

(i) A member of the Council shall not vote on a question in which the member
has a financial interest, other than the general public interest, or on any
question involving the member’s own conduct. If a question is raised under
this section at any Council meeting concerning the eligibility of a member of
the council to vote on any matter, such question shall be finally determined
by the concurring vote of at least six members of the Council, not including
such member.

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By: Libby Hunter http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-119838 Libby Hunter Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:46:25 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-119838 Ditto, Edward Vielmetti!

I support all 4 “challengers.” My vote will go to Vivienne for many reasons: she was a leader in the effort to halt a conference ctr./hotel next to the library, she publicly speaks about the enormous debt the current mayor and council party have burdened residents with – and that redirecting spending would enable public services to be reinstated, she is a strong supporter of government transparency, she is the Ward 5 candidate who received the sought-after Sierra Club endorsement, and the list goes on. Her blog reveals a brilliant, progressive thinker of enormous integrity who values communication and the opinions of others.

My concerns about Chuck are many, but I’ll only mention here that his wife’s salary coming from AATA, DDA is a huge conflict of interest, and although he’s stated he’d recuse himself when related votes come up, how helpful will a council person be if he’s fairly often not going to be able to vote?

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By: Edward Vielmetti http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-119799 Edward Vielmetti Mon, 06 Aug 2012 02:23:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-119799 Re #19: Speechless.

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By: Joan Lowenstein http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-119794 Joan Lowenstein Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:00:52 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-119794 Susan, I would ordinarily agree with you but I’ll defend the mayor by saying I think he is using the “tea party” term as shorthand for a political philosophy that most Democrats would strongly oppose:

1. Shrink government, but increase police presence
2. Oppose government spending for the arts
3. Oppose expansion of public transportation
4. Oppose business development that strengthens the downtown
5. Advocate frequent referenda that weaken the representative system

All the opposition candidates (Kaliasapathy, Eaton, Armentrout, & Petersen) support this political philosophy. Maybe there’s a better shorthand term for it, but “tea party” is one most of us are all too familiar with.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/08/02/ward-5-city-council-studying-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-119703 Vivienne Armentrout Sun, 05 Aug 2012 02:49:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=93412#comment-119703 The Chronicle is excellent at recording the details of the debate, but I do think that seeing the live version conveys a different kind of information. Here are the questions 3 & 4.

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