Comments on: Zoning, Transit Focus of Council Meeting http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-124128 Jim Rees Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:20:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-124128 Nine miles of BRT at $20 million is $180 million. That’s not a huge amount compared to what we spend on projects for car drivers. The library structure, for example, was $50 million, Broadway bridges $31 million and the Stadium bridges $23 million. Even the new Ellsworth roundabout is going to be over $2 million. And unlike those projects, which only benefit car drivers, BRT would benefit everyone.

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By: Ken http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-124076 Ken Thu, 13 Sep 2012 23:00:31 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-124076 Regarding the Transit Connector study:

It is my understanding that the AATA or the “New Countywide” Transit System will operate all of the Transit service along the connector corridors. This will effectively eliminate U-M’s bus system, more than likely this is why U-M is paying into the study. If you review the original TMP from AATA, this item is in there with the Commuter Rail and Downtown Circulater.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-123982 Rod Johnson Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:05:57 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-123982 Fascinating stuff, Ed. That first one–once I managed to figure out what order to read it in, was an interesting point in history. “The Huron Parkway” was in place, “the Fuller Parkway” was under consideration but apparently somewhat controversial, and “the new Huron High School” was underway. The whole northeast side of town must have been very different then.

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By: Edward Vielmetti http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-123901 Edward Vielmetti Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:20:19 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-123901 Jim (#3), I collected a couple of clippings from the library’s Old News site regarding the Packard-Beakes Bypass.

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I suspect there’s more than what I found, but it’s a start.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-123881 Dave Askins Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:19:14 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-123881 Re: “Is this the **northwest** corner where that failed development is now being revived?”

Yes, the article has been corrected.

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By: Larry Baird http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-123880 Larry Baird Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:09:52 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-123880 Given the initial capital funding projections:

$15-$20 million per mile for Bus Rapid Transit
$50 – $60 million per mile for Light Rail Transit
$200 million per mile for Elevated Transit

along with annual operating costs of $.5 million to $1.5 million PER MILE, why would we want to “throw away” even more money on this?

Cooper said, “The people taking trips provided by a connector transit system will not be competing for space on the road system.”

Where is this new “space” going to come from? People’s front yards? How many business and homes would have to be moved to provide the necessary space along Plymouth, through downtown and down South State?

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-123833 Steve Bean Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:08:31 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-123833 “City administrator Steve Powers, who started on the job about one year ago, offered that he’d take responsibility for the timing. He’d been learning Ann Arbor’s budgeting process and was still learning the specific details of the project. The “missed timing” is ultimately his responsibility, Powers concluded.”

Bravo, Mr. Powers. First for taking responsibility. Second for possibly saving us $60K plus subsequent related expenditures.

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-123832 Steve Bean Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:01:27 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-123832 “Mayor John Hieftje said he saw the connector as part and parcel of a larger picture. He felt that the city could be sure of future job growth. Jobs would continue to come to the city even if the city did not seek them, because the UM continues to build its workforce, he said.”

What the mayor fails to see (or at least acknowledge) is an even larger picture that includes an historically unprecedented credit bubble in the US (blown up after successive stock and housing bubbles) and a global financial crisis. The past is not always a good basis for predicting the future, especially at this point.

“He cautioned against backing away from transit – offering as a sardonic possibility the idea that the council could also vote to say they did not want more jobs in the city.”

What we want and what will happen within the broader circumstances aren’t likely to be the same thing–not even remotely.

“Hieftje called it wise to invest $60,000 as part of a $1.5 million project. The city can continue to build parking structures, and accept more traffic in the city, or we can invest in transit, he said. He asked that councilmembers show a little bit of vision as the city looks to the future and tries to plan for that.”

It would be wise if the broader context were given consideration, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. It would have been even wiser decades ago, but that train has left the station.

The city needn’t continue(?!!!) to build parking structures if that context is understood. Yes, transit would be preferable, and just maybe it will happen (in the form of buses). I’m not holding my breath, though. Instead, I’m preparing for the coming deflationary depression and a steep drop-off in net available power from fossil fuels.

The first phase will be somewhat counterintuitive, and one that city council members don’t care to understand: prices–including gasoline and other fuel prices–will drop due to deflation. How will a commuter (assuming they’re still employed) with years left on their lease or car loan justify paying for mass transit when they have that sunk cost in a vehicle and gas is dropping in price?

That’s all to say that voting for spending this small amount of money on an unrealistic project is a waste of money (thrown in with a lot more wasted money) that could be spent preparing us for what’s really headed our way. (If you think that “waste” is too strong a word, how about low-odds gamble?)

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By: Jim Rees http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-123830 Jim Rees Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:21:58 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-123830 Anyone remember the Packard-Beakes Bypass? It was going to be a freeway cut right through the center of town. I’m glad we’re not considering that transit option.

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By: Eric Boyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/09/10/zoning-transit-focus-of-council-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-123825 Eric Boyd Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:06:16 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=96280#comment-123825 “Kathy Griswold recognized that the council had a resolution on its agenda to accept an easement [at no cost to the city] on a parcel on the northeast corner of Liberty Street and Maple Road.”

Is this the **northwest** corner where that failed development is now being revived?

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