Comments on: Ann Arbor Wants Washtenaw Out of RTA http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Mary Morgan http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-167065 Mary Morgan Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:36:16 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-167065 Here’s a link to the Civic News Ticker about the RTA appointment process: [link]

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-166814 Vivienne Armentrout Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:59:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-166814 Conan Smith has now announced that he plans to appoint the two RTA board members before Dec. 31, while he is still chair of the BOC. (A press release is pending.)

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By: Roger Kuhlman http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-166806 Roger Kuhlman Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:46:34 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-166806 Commuter rail is a very expensive pie-in-the-sky idea that will benefit very few people. It would not even be seriously considered by even its advocates if they had to pay for its implementation out of their own pockets and what funds they could voluntarily raise. Should government be the place where the public community as a whole is coerced through taxation to pay for projects of special interest groups who want to run public businesses?

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-166675 Vivienne Armentrout Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:35:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-166675 According to MIRS, the final two bills (SB 912 and SB 967) passed by 56 and 57 votes respectively “early Friday morning”. Detroit-area Democrats voted for them. Democrats had earlier been withholding votes because of the RTW legislation.

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By: Ken http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-166537 Ken Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:20:18 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-166537 Vivienne, those are my thoughts as well. This is how I should have formed my question. Thank you as well Dave, very enlightening.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-166302 Vivienne Armentrout Fri, 14 Dec 2012 01:51:54 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-166302 As I understand it, M-Ride is possible because the AATA is able to use UM ridership numbers in their application for Federal Formula Funds. Now that the RTA will be in control of Federal funds, would that automatically carry over? I don’t know. Frankly, it is just speculation at this point.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-166251 Dave Askins Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:18:36 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-166251 Re: possible “control” of the RTA over U-M bus system

Ken, I have a vague recollection that this question was dealt a glancing consideration at some meeting I’ve attended recently, but cannot recall and I’m not turning up anything in my notes. That vague recollection is that the conclusion could be summarized as: No, UM is a creature of the state. Thinking about how the RTA would theoretically exercise “control” I think it boils down to the fact that UM is not a transportation provider in the sense of the RTA legislation. So the RTA would not be able to issue directives to UM about making its routes coordinate to serve the interests of regional connectivity etc. UM doesn’t receive state operating assistance through Act 51, so whatever leverage is given to the RTA by the legislation (5% withholding) wouldn’t apply anyway.

As far as the M-Ride program — which allows UM affiliates to board any AATA bus by swiping their M-Card (fares paid by an arrangement with AATA) — I can’t see how the RTA could affect that program directly. That is, I can’t see how that any of the powers of the RTA has could be construed to allow the RTA to say: Alright, AATA, we don’t care for this financial arrangement you have with the M-Ride program, so stop doing that. Totally theoretically, imagine the RTA issues some coordination directive to the AATA so that the regional connector service between Detroit and Ann Arbor is met with more buses when it arrives at Blake. And to comply with that directive, the AATA tweaks the timing of the stops for Route X, which has the undesired impact that UM students who previously took Route X to class are now five minutes late to class … or some such. That seems to me like a sort of tiny ripple that already exists within any transit system any time any kind of change is contemplated.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-166248 Vivienne Armentrout Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:15:10 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-166248 I will venture that the UM’s system would not be under the RTA jurisdiction. However, the M-Ride program in cooperation with AATA might be affected, since that is an arrangement between AATA and the UM, and the RTA could theoretically rearrange that.

The two missing bills have still not been passed.

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By: Ken http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-166240 Ken Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:00:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-166240 Will the new RTA have any control over U-M’s bus system? Secondly, how will this affect the M-Ride program?

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By: Jack Eaton http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/12/ann-arbor-wants-washtenaw-out-of-rta/comment-page-1/#comment-166016 Jack Eaton Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:55:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=102446#comment-166016 “Warpehoski concluded that it would be possible for the RTA to create an operating entity to implement rail service with a simple majority vote.” I don’t think this is supported by the language of the new law.

To the extent that Section 6(3)(b)(i) of the RTA act restricts AATA’s ability “to acquire, construct, operate, or maintain any form of rail passenger service within a public transit region”, it would also restrict any newly formed transit entity within the four county area.

Section 2(m) of the act defines a transportation provider as “an authority or agency existing on or created after the effective date of this act.” The new RTA has the same authority over existing and newly created transportation providers.

I agree that it would only take a majority vote of the new RTA Board to create a new transit entity under Section 7 of the act. After that entity was formed, the new entity would be subject to the oversight and planning control of the RTA Board. Under Section 8 (2), the new entity could not apply for any federal funding (rail or otherwise) without the permission of the RTA. And under Section 7, it could not initiate any rail planning or service without the unanimous support of all members of the RTA Board.

The new RTA will have significant negative impact on local control of our transit system. The AATA will be subordinate to the RTA and will be a tiny portion of the overall regional transit system. The single favorable impact of this new law is that it will restrain the AATA, the City and any new transit entity in the pursuit of unaffordable rail service.

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