Comments on: Column: Ann Arbor’s Brand of Participation http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285783 John Floyd Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:49:02 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285783 John Q,

I agree that council’s desired outcome is not in line with reality (this has been an implicit point of mine). My explicit point is that this unreality has not stopped council from doing long-term damage to our community in pursuit of this unrealistic (and to me, undesirable as well, for various reasons) goal. Perhaps I have not been effective in communicating my position, but it seems to me that in many ways you and I are not far apart in our assessment of things. We seem to differ mostly in our reading of council’s actions (and those of its ancillaries), and in our reading of the conduct of many recent elections.

Indeed, recent excursions into Detroit have only re-inforced my impression that Detroit is where genuine innovation is happening in Michigan, and that it is the place in Michigan to which the most determined “Strivers” are heading. That the new pockets of vitality in Detroit are more-or-less the result of spontaneous, grass-roots initiative, rather than government policy, gives them an aura of reality and viability far beyond anything resulting from the one-note-song of 5th & Huron’s Oracles of Density.

If council’s attempts at branding, for example, AREN’T about wanting out-sized population growth, then I can’t imagine what they ARE about (Boredom? The need to hear themselves talk?) My imagination may be two sizes too small – pray, enlighten me! Ditto the mass transit theme, ditto the doubling of our sewer capacity, ditto the rejection of German Town, ditto encroachment on The Old 4th Ward and The Old West Side, ditto the DDA’s contempt for resident input in the William St. planning process (“We’re the Downtown DEVELOPMENT Authority, so no parks”), ditto the campaigns of, e.g., Carsten Hohnke (successful) and Kirk Westphal (unsuccessful), ditto the mayor’s narrow-viewpoint board appointees, etc., etc. There is more than one way to look at anything. It’s possible that I am a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but these look to me like expressions of the desire to wildly expand our population, whether or not that goal is realistic (did you see an A2D2 “Public input” event at which “Status quo” was an option?). What do you see here?

It is more pleasant to be taken seriously than not, but my experience is that saying what I see is usually the best use of my energies. After all, if I’m right, the community will benefit from hearing about it; if I’m wrong, how better to learn of my error than to read others’ reactions to my thoughts? Thank you for your reactions, JQ. I’ll reflect upon them.

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By: John Q. http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285745 John Q. Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:11:20 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285745 “The Council Party and its allies have had as their agenda the end of Ann Arbor as a pleasant mid-west college town, and its change into an economic and population center to rival Detroit in size and in economic importance to Michigan.”

John – I’m assuming this is your attempt at over-the-top rhetoric. It’s not even close to reality and if you believe it is, one would have to assume that you’ve never actually travelled outside the city limits of Ann Arbor. I get that some people don’t like the changes downtown. I don’t like all of them myself. But I can’t take seriously people who believe in either the agenda or the potential outcome. Ann Arbor is never going to be the next Detroit. Rest easy, it’s likely that Ann Arbor won’t even be the next Grand Rapids.

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By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285567 John Floyd Tue, 10 Dec 2013 04:34:14 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285567 @9 If the goal is to improve quality of life for we who live here, I think that Steve makes a good point. However, over the last several years, The Council Party and its allies have had as their agenda the end of Ann Arbor as a pleasant mid-west college town, and its change into an economic and population center to rival Detroit in size and in economic importance to Michigan. Hence, the need for tall apartments and the destruction of historic neighborhoods, expanding the local airport, vastly expanded mass transit (for commuters) & mass transit taxes (notice that your property tax bill lists “Mass Transit” tax instead of “AATA”), the proposed UM campus Connector, relocating the train station to UM Hospital, and the use of Tax Increment Financing Districts (e.g. DDA, the LDFA which funds Ann Arbor Spark, etc) to promote growth that doesn’t benefit the city’s general fund or its residents. This is also the source of the drive to fund Public Art (go back and look at the justifications made for this: most of them revolve around the theme of “Sending a message” to outsiders that the Council Party thought would help achieve their end.

My emphasis of the Small Town Feel/Big City Vitality theme was an attempt to suggest that the most viable way to achieve this end was to play to our strengths as a community, rather than to employ the Council Party’s destroy what’s there and working, in order to build a different city in the same geography (the “William Westmoreland” strategy: destroy the community that exists in order to “save” it). I personally think that Detroit is where Michigan will be re-invented, not Ann Arbor. However, as long as the Council Party establishment is determined to promote mega-growth here, outside Detroit, let’s do it in a way that makes the most sense – not the ways they are choosing.

To Steve’s point, Council’s approach has been to sell a vision of an expanded Ann Arbor to others, not to ask what will make our town better. Even if one supports a mega-growth agenda, Steve’s approach is more viable over time.

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285520 Steve Bean Tue, 10 Dec 2013 00:55:31 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285520 “…this discussion is about what we want folks to say we’re about.”

This brings to mind the word “perceptions”, which ties back to my comment about selling.

Looking to people outside the community for improvement, security, wealth, productivity, validation, and such is a precarious thing. It overlooks our own power and the value of our ourselves and our neighbors and distracts us from strengthening those aspects that we actually have some control over. It’s a form of arguing with reality (which are arguments that we always lose). The historical awareness of the stress that arises from desires is long.

Improving our community will either attract people or it won’t. Having a goal of attracting them is a suboptimal approach.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285506 Vivienne Armentrout Mon, 09 Dec 2013 23:54:57 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285506 Re (7) Not at all mumbo-jumbo. It’s called the sense of connection to the place we live. This sense of community is what I consider important to nurture. It is a big part of what creates a “resilient community”.

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By: Jeremy Peters http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285493 Jeremy Peters Mon, 09 Dec 2013 22:43:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285493 I, for one, am glad that the leaders of our city are having this discussion. I hope that everyone in town is, as well. Mr. Warpehoski phrases it very well: this discussion is about what we want folks to say we’re about. It is exactly that which creates romantic attachment to a place where one lives. It isn’t about one specific thing, as much as folks might make it out to seem — it is the whole milieu of culture, feel, friendliness, amenities, ease of use, and so much more that creates the deep in the gut feeling folks have about Ann Arbor.

It isn’t out of hand for us to have a place to live that can work for all of us, but to get there, exercises just like this are needed — to set some visioning for a direction for our city to strive toward. I’m looking forward to listening to these statements and reading as much response as possible. I’m one of those young millennial folks that reports keep talking about and I love this city.

I feel blessed I found a job here and have been able to live in Washtenaw County since 1998. I’ve thought about leaving before, but there’s always been something that kept me here — and that something is connection to this area and all that is I’m aspirational — I look at this place, feel a sense of connection, and feel a sense of history, but also see a future respectful of that but that looks toward the future as a road that we can make work for us as a community.

Perhaps this comment is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo, and perhaps without point but for an attempt to support Mr. Warpehoski’s notion that we look a bit wider than simply empirical data.

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By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285464 John Floyd Mon, 09 Dec 2013 20:33:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285464 Did I actually say “…that really has escaped people’s thinking, because they don’t think about it much.” I feel like Casey Stengel having a bad day.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285450 Dave Askins Mon, 09 Dec 2013 18:55:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285450 The article has been updated to include links at the bottom to the final versions of various components of the survey reports. The issue with the 30% stat for talking to neighbors appears to have been finalized in favor of 30%. I still skept that this is accurate. I’ll follow up with NCS on that. Also the open ends look like they were at least in some cases not coded accurately. While they aren’t supposed to correct grammar or spelling from the handwritten responses, in some cases I think there are clear coding errors that don’t accurately reflect the word the respondent wrote. For example:

If these ass holes who run over & try to run over pedestrians were protected & imprisoned, maybe thump would be better & safer. The uses walks all need red lights. People run the Huron is one regularly but a seems a little safer.

I think this was likely “prosecuted” not “protected” “things” not “thump” and “cross walks” not “uses walks”. As far as identifying the general topic of concern and counting up percentages of people who wrote about a topic, this level of accuracy might be adequate. However, I would wish for cleaner coding than this (assuming that I’m right about this and other instances of suspected miscoding).

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By: Ben Connor Barrie http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285436 Ben Connor Barrie Mon, 09 Dec 2013 17:50:53 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285436 Is anyone else worried that only 20% of respondents have stockpiled supplies for an emergency? Didn’t everyone read the CDC’s zombie preparedness manual?

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By: Chuck Warpehoski http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/12/08/column-ann-arbors-brand-of-participation/comment-page-1/#comment-285263 Chuck Warpehoski Mon, 09 Dec 2013 03:33:12 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=126308#comment-285263 I’ve heard a lot of pushback against the corporate/consumer world that the word “brand” is often associate with. I get that. I find it useful to substitute “reputation” for “brand.”

Here’s why the brand/reputation question has been a useful thinking exercise for me.

As I brainstormed themes for Ann Arbor’s brand, one was “world-class culture and amenities with small-city charm.” Another was “inclusive for people of all backgrounds–including economic.”

Seeing both of those on paper made me realize the tension between them. If we have these world-class amenities, lots of affluent people will want to live here to enjoy them. That will make it hard to be inclusive of working and middle-class folk, especially if we want to keep the small city charm.

A second point. Dave wrote, “this self-image does not translate to an empirically-based brand.” You can look at brand in terms of the current brand reality and the aspirational brand. Put another way, it is both important to ask, “what do people say we are?” and “who do we want people to say we are?”

For me, the inclusive community is aspirational, not current reality. I think it erodes the process to limit the discussion to only the “brands” that can currently be empirically supported.

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