Comments on: Column: Let Data Steer Local Transit Policy http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-295678 Dave Askins Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:48:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-295678 Re: “… doesn’t that change the math on the MRide riders (in that UM riders are bringing federal $$ with them beyond the discounted dare that the U kicks in for their ride).”

The federal money is used to offset UM’s cash contribution covering fares for its affiliates. In other words, the AAATA gets $1 a ride from UM for UM affiliates. The federal grant is one source of funds UM uses to cover that $1 per ride. This actually makes the AAATA’s accounting a little tricky to follow. That’s because the federal grant revenue associated with the MRide program is not recorded under fares but rather as a grant. So if in a particular year the amount of the federal grant goes up, then accounting-wise that pushes fare revenue down, even though that doesn’t reflect anything more than the accounting practice. This is the point to which I was alluding when I wrote: “I’m going to gloss over one wrinkle involving the federal grant received by UM for operation of its own blue bus system, which the university uses to defray its cash costs to cover the $1 fares for its affiliates.”

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By: Karen Meier http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-295665 Karen Meier Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:59:08 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-295665 I thought one of the benefits of the UM-AAATA deal is that the infusion of additional riders would qualify the AAATA for federal subsidizes it could not get otherwise. That was true when they started the deal–is that no longer the case? Because as long as that’s true, then doesn’t that change the math on the MRide riders (in that UM riders are bringing federal $$ with them beyond the discounted dare that the U kicks in for their ride).

Finally, although UM enrollment has been growing over the time period covered, it is not clear to me that we should expect that trend to continue.

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By: Jonathan Levine http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-295578 Jonathan Levine Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:47:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-295578 Thanks for the excellent analysis. To determine whether the issue of UM local share is significant, we would need to know the number of on-campus residents using MRide as a share of all MRide users. My guess is that this would be very small, and that most transit needs of campus residents are filled using the campus bus system. And to be fair, we should also determine the share of non-UM riders on the the campus system, since it is open to all.

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By: Larry Baird http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-294306 Larry Baird Wed, 05 Feb 2014 14:39:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-294306 Great ideas that both our elected and non-elected officials should seriously consider if they want to broaden the appeal of the millage request.

Also of interest was today’s A2News “Go-Pass” article which included an AAATA survey revealing that only a third of current go pass users would be willing to pay for a bus pass if the go pass service did not exist.

This third of current riders willing to pay without the subsidy also includes those without cars, so apparently less than one-third of current go pass riders with cars would be willing to pay if no subsidy existed.

I find this very surprising. As current users on the bus system, one would think they would miss taking the bus, especially since the “out-of-pocket” cost would still be less than parking downtown??

This also reflects poorly on the perceived value of the service with less than one third of the existing clientele (with cars) willing to pay for the service!

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By: David Nacht http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-294277 David Nacht Wed, 05 Feb 2014 00:00:55 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-294277 Great contribution to the discussion. The questions about value for additional tax and about density by Jack Eaton and Dave Cahill are on point. I, not surprisingly, believe the argument can be made on the merits to support the millage, but the case must be made that the incremental funds will generate value.

I employ 15 people in my firm at Main and Huron. Some use transit; some walk; some drive. My employees commute from south Lyon, Brighton, canton, Ypsilanti as well as from the City. We currently have a good system for the City and a poor one for the region. I can move my firm outside downtown and even outside the City and get free parking and be right off the highway…. Easier for employees and clients. But I Want to be downtown…but we are the downtown of a region, not just a city…. I am a really small employer….. Think about what it takes to maintain a vibrant downtown, because that affects not only the pleasure of living/working in Ann arbor but most importantly provides the private sector tax base to spare residents who own homes in the City from singlehandedly shouldering the municipal tax burdens. I know Ann Arbor is not Ypsilanti, Detroit, flint, Benton harbor, Jackson….we have um…..but UM doesn’t pay taxes, so homeowners need a private sector to share that burden. Regional transit will over time inure to the benefit of city taxpayers.

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By: Herb http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-294198 Herb Tue, 04 Feb 2014 00:21:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-294198 The clogging of our roadways by busses will only get worse as the city converts four lane roads to two lanes with a center turning lane. With four lanes you can usually get around a stopped bus. With two it is either wait or pass in the left turn lane which I would suppose is illegal. I suspect the city government wants us to become Amsterdam-on-the-Huron where everyone lives in high rise shoe boxes and bicycles, walks or busses everywhere. Am I the only one who does not want it?

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-294192 Vivienne Armentrout Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:50:36 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-294192 Regarding the RTA, they appear to be leaning toward a millage request, not an increase in vehicle fees. But Transit Riders United has just announced via Twitter that the RTA Executive board has decided to delay a millage request until November 2016. (They are only allowed to try in even years.)

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By: Dave Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-294190 Dave Cahill Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:29:16 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-294190 I agree with Jack on this. Transit is hugely expensive. I do not believe that our present urban density justifies all this effort.

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By: Jack Eaton http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-294179 Jack Eaton Mon, 03 Feb 2014 17:57:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-294179 Thanks for another excellent column. I think we need to recognize that local transit benefits both those who use it and those who drive their own vehicles. Imagine dozens of additional cars traveling down the street with you each time you see a bus. Transit removes some traffic from the roads.

The AAATA’s five year plan will add a significant amount of new service. That new service will come with a significant price – we will pay 1/3 higher transit millage (the City’s current $9 million will increase to $12 million). You get what you pay for, so each voter should be able to decide whether they are willing to pay more to get more.

On the other hand, the five year plan is just one component of all the transit plans in the pipeline. The University, AAATA and City are working on the Connector Plan, the cost of which is not included in the five year plan. The Connector will be expensive and will serve mostly the UM community. Nonetheless, the City and AAATA will likely contribute to its cost.

AAATA continues to plan both east-west and WALLY commuter rail service. Commuter rail is wildly expensive (approximately $10 million per year to subsidize the east-west commuter rail service) and is not included in the five year plan.

Washtenaw County is one of four counties included in the Regional Transit Authority (RTA). The RTA will need a local source of funding, which may be an increase in vehicle registration fees.

The 1/3 increase in our local transit millage is just the beginning of the various taxing plans that we will face to finance all of our transit planning. It would be nice to know the full price before we proceed with any one part of these plans.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2014/02/02/column-let-data-steer-local-transit-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-294178 Dave Askins Mon, 03 Feb 2014 17:44:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=129294#comment-294178 Re: “… I think the question remains open.”

For sure. I didn’t mean to imply that the question was answered by the report to which I linked – rather that Denver’s case study in the report includes a technique for adjusting to cost of living that could be applied to Ann Arbor and its peer group (if one had the resources to undertake such an analysis).

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