Comments on: Where Are Ann Arbor’s Trees? http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=where-are-ann-arbors-trees it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: mr dairy http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10973 mr dairy Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:21:48 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10973 City staff, including Parks, Rec and Forestry, (local folks, community members and Michiganians all) have been gutted, downsized, eliminated, contracted out, whatever you want to call it, since Fraser and McCormick came to town.

Back when some folks thought it was a good thing to make government leaner (and meaner… much meaner)… now we end up spending local dollars to pay not so local workers (Davey) and corporations (like the stinky Waste Management contract) for work that local people could and should be doing.

Indeed we might, and I mean might/maybe/perhaps or perhaps not, pay a premium to employ local folks to perform skilled and semi skilled city labor, it’s different in these times and means so much more to us now. But since those people and their work has now been outsourced and the city no longer has the skilled employees or the resources, it seems that we have no choice but to go elsewhere for labor and ship those dollars out of the region.

Just like those who said 9/11 and the economic meltdown of this new century couldn’t have been predicted, who could have predicted that if we downsized government, got rid of local workers who made a decent wage and who put that money back into the local economy, that we would end up flying in folks from New Hampshire to GIS our trees or buying expensive software (Trakit) from a California company instead of software from a company (BS&A) in Okemos MI?

For sure, not me!

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10959 Fred Zimmerman Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:33:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10959 I think it is fair to wonder whether the city could have accomplished this task with local employees and locally purchased equipment for < $243K, but, it might (would) have taken more time to plan and execute, it might have required hiring someone with the expertise to direct and train the workers, and it might have been difficult to find the right people for temporary jobs.

The flaw in the process here is that when you bid something like this out locally, it’s not likely that anyone’s going to already going to have multiple sets of the tested equipment kit that Dave describes in the OP, plus a ready action plan and track record for doing projects exactly like one. That’s why consultants get this sort of job.

There should probably be an intermediate step in the purchase process that is not “in-house” and is not “contract out”, it is “can we develop this capability here in a reasonable time frame?” Maybe there already is something like that.

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By: Marvin Face http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10955 Marvin Face Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:06:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10955 Alan, I don’t know the specifics of this case but typically the city will put something like this out for competitive bid. The City likely approved the low bid by this company. I am sure there were local companies that bid but perhaps they were all higher. By how much, I don’t know.

The question becomes: Do you want local workers and how much of a premium are you willing to pay for that? For now it seems that flying in workers and putting them up in hotel rooms for extended periods of time is less expensive than having locals do the job.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10915 Alan Goldsmith Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:55:44 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10915 My OBSCENE comments were directed at flying in an out-of-town company to do the inventory at the stated cost. No one seems to be willing to address that question. As someone who lives in a neighborhood that had to have the city get an outside grant to replace the hundreds of ash trees, this outlay of tax dollars all flowing outside of the city is something I think is wrong.

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By: mr dairy http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10732 mr dairy Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:30:23 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10732 Dan, I’m “generous” to the city to the tune of more than $3000 annually. Add the costs of repairing the sidewalks in front of my home… that the city owns, the cost of digging up my front yard when the utilities dept curb box, owned by the city, fails, paying for a new city hall we don’t need, Farmers Market “improvements”… the “Y” fiasco

Where is it written that I’m supposed to “Be Generous” to a bureaucracy that wastes our money at every turn.

Maybe I’ll feel more generous when there’s some accountability at 100 N Fifth Avenue.

The “City Forester” as an actual city position of any consequence is an urban myth since the retirement of Paul Bairley.

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By: Dan Moerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10725 Dan Moerman Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:58:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10725 My gosh. What a bunch of nastyness. “Colossal waste of money,” use volunteers instead, repeating what’s already been done (a decade ago, before the ash borer), “disappointing” because it’s not being done locally, “OBSCENE,” “Wonders will never cease,” and a “shell game.” My my. This from residents of tree city.

Recall that you are supposed to “Be Generous.” But then again, I have learned something from this: there is a lot of spite in Ann Arbor. Maybe a gallon of spite per tree?

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10694 Steve Bean Sun, 15 Feb 2009 06:41:14 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10694 I hope Marcia will reconsider the appropriateness of asking children to do adult work.

The city asks much of volunteers for appropriate tasks. (In that vein, have we set the example we ask of others?) In contrast, the survey work is professional in nature, and those who are trained to do it deserve to be paid for their knowledge and skill.

I suspect that the city forester is still catching up on the backlog of tree maintenance needs that resulted from the necessary attention given to the dead and dying ash trees in recent years and doesn’t have the eight person-months available in her schedule.

Contempt won’t improve anything about this situation (or any other.)

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By: Edward Vielmetti http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10651 Edward Vielmetti Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:19:31 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10651 I know (from talking to someone at Farmers Market today) that the Woody Plants class at the U of M was involved in some way

Link to Woody Plants

There’s 160 species in the area, and it takes a whole semester (including walks through bogs) to learn how to accurately identify them all.

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By: Stew Nelson http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10650 Stew Nelson Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:05:18 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10650 Knowing “where we are” is the first analytical step that must be accomplished before we can make a sensible plan for “where we want to be”. Too bad however that we couldn’t get the young adults in our science class to conduct the surveys.

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By: mr dairy http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/02/13/where-are-ann-arbors-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-10636 mr dairy Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:45:56 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=13755#comment-10636 I wonder how many replacement trees $245k would buy? How many more gallons of water could be kept from going down the drain if trees were planted instead of GIS-ed?

And that report will probably end up on a shelf where many other consultant studies end up in city hall.

Other than the gee whiz factor of being able to look at a “cool data set” and google map of street trees online this is an exercise in bureaucratic waste… not to mention outsourcing work that could be done by city staff.

At its root (get it?) this is little more than part of Roger Frasers budgetary shell game.

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