Comments on: Miller Avenue to Be Resurfaced and More http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: SF http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-23873 SF Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:33:46 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-23873 I agree with Rob and Kris — and I too have been wondering about the stretch of Miller between Seventh and Main. For bikers, this is extremely rough terrain and completely dangerous. I hate riding my bike on sidewalks but choose to do so on this particular stretch because it is so bumpy, gravelly, and basically, frightening! It is an accident waiting to happen. Actually, many bike accidents have happened already. I keep thinking to myself, is it possible that someone could file a lawsuit against the city for negligence of the road surface? I have no idea if this is a possibility, but it has crossed my mind many times as I have risked my life along Miller.

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By: Kris http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-16206 Kris Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:55:56 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-16206 I agree with Rob, you have a chance on a bike until Seventh however after than the road is far too narrow and way too rough.

It’s pretty much a joke that Ann Arbor considers itself a bike town when there are very few true bike routes in the City and even where there are bike paths drives give riders no respect.

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By: ROB http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-16179 ROB Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:43:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-16179 What about the rest of Miller – from Newport to Main?!? The section from Seventh to Main is in even worse condition than the section west of Newport – absolutely third world – Kabul’s streets are probably in better shape. It won’t even be drivable, soon, let alone safe for bikes. Most major streets in A2 are either too narrow or too busy for bike traffic anyway. When I had a bike, the only place I ever felt safe was on the sidewalks, or the bike paths along the river. I’ll take my chances with the pedestrians rather than the cement mixers and gravel trains, thank you.

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By: Matt Hampel http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-16147 Matt Hampel Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:58:31 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-16147 Thanks for the response, Dave. The context you’ve added about the call is helpful.

It would be interesting to hear from residents directly once work on the project has been completed or is near completion.

I’m think of setting up some sort of follow-up calendar similar to the (dishearteningly named) Wrong Tomorrow. On that site, predictions are given an expiration date, which encourages long-term responsibility.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-16146 Dave Askins Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:49:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-16146 Re: [9]

I did not attempt to contact any residents after the meeting. I disagree with the implication that this somehow reflects a lack of appropriate balance in reporting.

FWIW, the specific reason I called Hutchinson was not to get his thoughts on the meeting, but rather to establish whether the funding mechanism for the storm water portion of the project was the same one used for the Pioneer High School project.

Based on hearing back from city officials after a number of public engagement sessions on a variety of topics over the last six months, it’s not universal that they feel like it was useful to them — a sentiment that is typically not made for attribution. So when a project manager says that a meeting resulted in useful collection of information, even when some of the commentary was simply: “We don’t care what your study says,” then I think it’s worth including in the report.

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By: Matt Hampel http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-16138 Matt Hampel Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:02:59 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-16138 Hmm — “But reached by phone after the meeting, Hutchinson said he thought it was a healthy exchange and that the project team had been able to collect a lot of useful information.”

I’m sure he did.

When reached after the meeting, did residents have a similar position? Or were they still feeling agitated?

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By: Brad http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-16083 Brad Sun, 05 Apr 2009 03:59:56 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-16083 It is senseless to put bike lanes alongside parked cars. Launching over a newly-opened car door at 30 mph will cause serious injury or death. A prudent cyclist who avoids car doors, will be 5′ from the parked cars (into the lane of traffic) and not staying in bike lane). Shame on A^2, the bicycle-friendly city.
And buses?: In Europe they do not violate bike lanes.

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By: Kris http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-16071 Kris Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:10:37 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-16071 Before putting a light at Newport and Miller that operates 24/7 for 365 days a year, why wouldn’t someone propose a crossing guard?

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By: Ted Ancil http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-16038 Ted Ancil Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:53:43 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-16038 I am just happy to see this is being addressed. The city seems to be doing a good job of out reach on projects. The Huron Riv. planning dialog has been especially well done.

New, wider bike lanes on Miller will be much appreciated.

Dave, I recall a couple of A2 elementary schools trying to start a “walking bus” and there was some participation at the beginning but it faded quickly.

A lot of road and intersection work is payed for from other sources. The roundabout at Huron Pky. and Nixon is being paid for by the US Govt.

I have no idea but should a roundabout be considered for Miller and Newport. It would slow the traffic down and they seem to work fine for bikes.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/04/03/miller-avenue-to-be-resurfaced-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-16030 Dave Askins Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:35:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=17568#comment-16030 In suggesting a holistic approach to reducing overall traffic volume on Miller — including a reduction in vehicles where a parent drives a child to school — I didn’t take the cyclist at the public forum to be advocating for hour-and-a-half school bus rides, or that parents should just send their kids walking and hope they could dodge the traffic. Apologies if that’s how the article seemed to portray him.

I just took it to mean that non-road-engineering alternatives should be explored — like asking, as CarMom has, what the public schools could do to provide transportation to their magnet schools. Based on the experience described, it sounds like some pessimism is warranted. If there’s some room for optimism, though, I’d say it lies in the fact that AAPS is supposed to be a part of the design advisory committee list of stakeholders. So this could provide an opportunity to try again and get it right.

Otherwise put, I think the call was not so much for parents to just unilaterally stop driving their kids to school, but rather for reasonable alternatives to be provided, so that it wouldn’t be necessary.

I have some vague recollection of an initiative for “walking buses” here in Ann Arbor a few years ago. Here’s a link that mentions Ann Arbor as a place where they’ve been implemented successfully. Any information about which Ann Arbor neighborhoods have active WB programs would be welcome.

Obviously, that doesn’t address kids in Saline getting to Mack Open. And even a “walking bus” would benefit from crosswalks at Newport and Miller that are marked in some way that’s dramatically better than what’s there now.

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