Comments on: On the Bus to Chelsea, Ypsi, Arborland http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Matt Hampel http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-24604 Matt Hampel Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:15:11 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-24604 An AATA press release in my inbox says that service will end July 1 — I’ve posted snippets on Arbor Update: link

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-23328 Vivienne Armentrout Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:09:43 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-23328 A combination of fact-finding, consensus-building, and good old jawboning might be effective.

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By: My two cents http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-23327 My two cents Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:51:24 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-23327 Isn’t Arborland private property? What can the city council do besides ask and put pressure on the owners of Arborland to keep the busstop.

Obviously, the owners believe that there are not enough bus riders who shop at the mall to justify the existence of the bus stop.

Does AATA or the city of Ann Arbor lease the bus stop area? If the owners saw a financial benefit to keeping the bus stop, maybe they will change their minds.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-23325 Vivienne Armentrout Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:35:48 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-23325 I’d like to see some real leadership and representation by the Mayor and Council on the Arborland bus stop. It is critical to our vision of a transit-oriented city. How about a summit?

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By: Larry Krieg http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-23319 Larry Krieg Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:50:42 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-23319 First of all, congratulations to Dave Askins on excellent reporting of the meeting. :-) I was there for most of it, and I’d say his write-up faithfully represents not only the facts, but the spirit of the meeting.

Chair Nacht’s probing on the express bus service is entirely justified by the need to shape policy for future express bus routes. But of course, the most difficult audience to survey is the audience that isn’t there. It’s pretty clear that lack of marketing isn’t the real problem with the service. It’s the lack of frequency. I hope a solution can be found involving smaller, less expensive buses, running more often and later at night.

That said, experience in other cities has shown that commuter rail is always preferred to bus service. Part of it is the smoother, less jerky ride, but there’s also a snob appeal to rail – you know, the image of the big-city, big-bucks businessman who rides into his 68th floor office from his tony suburb with his face buried in the Wall Street Journal.

And I’m afraid it’s the lack of snob appeal that Arborland management has in mind with the bus station on their property. It’s apparently been a subject of discussion at shopping center management meetings around the country: bus riders just aren’t the big-spending clientele they have in mind to fill their stores and parking lot. After all, how much can a bus-rider carry away with them on the bus? And aren’t they just as likely to be shop-lifters as purchasers? A very unfortunate misconception, and one which will need to change as transit-oriented development ramps up with the Washtenaw Avenue Talent Center project.

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By: Chris http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-23312 Chris Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:37:10 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-23312 As a daily rider of the Chelsea service and an employee at the University, I am disappointed with the lack of marketing and promotion. The service has now been available for over a year and they want to start focus groups now? All I notice is requests for payment once a month. Where was the push back in June of 2008? I’m sure their intentions are for the service to be successful but it appears like too much analysis and no action.

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By: Sara http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-22952 Sara Fri, 29 May 2009 16:01:41 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-22952 Similarly to Riin, I shop at Hillers at Arborland by bus frequently. I used to shop at the Kmart center when the bus pulled into the parking lot in both directions (which meant that there was a bus at that stop every half hour, instead of alternating across the street). It’s just more of a hassle to shop there now, so I find what I need at other stores. I’m guessing that if Arborland changes, I’ll shop at more convenient places, elsewhere.

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By: Joel Batterman http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-22907 Joel Batterman Fri, 29 May 2009 08:43:49 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-22907 It is truly shocking that Arborland is seeking to have the bus stops removed (or moved across a major arterial). Could we obtain any insight into the management’s motives? I hope good sense prevails.

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By: TeacherPatti http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-22795 TeacherPatti Thu, 28 May 2009 16:12:40 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-22795 JCP2 brings up a great point…navigating that parking lot is at best odd and at worst (especially when I try to go to Hillers around Christmas) dangerous. No one ever seems to know when to yield (I tend to always yield and inevitably piss off someone) and that three way stop near Borders on the way to the exit is maddening. Also, when you have to turn left out of the lot, you have to go down past Borders and that is often jammed.

Even scarier though are the times that I ride my bike up there. I’ve had several folks wave at me with just one finger when I ride through (I love to be waved cheerfully at–but not with one finger! That makes me sad).

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By: Riin http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/05/26/on-the-bus-to-chelsea-ypsi-arborland/comment-page-1/#comment-22659 Riin Wed, 27 May 2009 15:42:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=21265#comment-22659 Just last night after work I took the #4 to Arborland, bought some groceries at Hiller’s and some hay at Petco, then took the #7 partway home and walked the rest of the way. If I can’t easily get to Arborland by bus, I’ll shop elsewhere. Maybe Arborland doesn’t want my money.

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