Comments on: Another Draft of Downtown Design Guides http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/05/another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: My Two Cents http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/05/another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-31590 My Two Cents Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:26:09 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=29462#comment-31590 Vivienne, I understand completely what you are saying in your last paragraph, however if there is not a local newspaper to publish in and the information has to be web based I think people should get accustomed to going to the city web page over another.

I also think that to force people to subscribe to a law newspaper when there is nothing of interest or relevance in that newspaper besides notices of city meetings is hindering public notification.

Unless the city invests in their own printed newspaper the local area will not have a printed newspaper for the general population.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/05/another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-31587 Vivienne Armentrout Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:24:24 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=29462#comment-31587 Actually, the city does post meeting details for most boards and commissions through its Legistar utility. It is cumbersome to use, though. I tried just now to see what it took to find out about one item on an upcoming Planning Commission agenda and it required 5 clicks, including two pdf documents and going through hyperlinked references on those documents. For the city council agenda, one had to go to the departmental designation, then click on the city council packet, bringing up Legistar, and onward. This is not what I would consider accessible to the general public.

A thought regarding the archiving aspects: is it possible that the city could make an arrangement with the Ann Arbor District Library? The AADL has been taking on more and more archival tasks and its website and operation are much smoother and friendlier than the city website. I’d propose that the city have a more easily accessible council packet (it should be at the top level of the website, not something you have to search for) that could be mirrored in some way at the AADL. I’m not sure how that would operate and am not proposing that the city give up its own responsibility to maintain these records.

I do know someone who is not internet-friendly who read the printed agenda religiously every Sunday when it was in the Ann Arbor News. I’m uncomfortable with the views of people like Two Cents who would throw the responsibility of the city to be open and accessible to all back on the members of the public in all their diversity.

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By: My Two cents http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/05/another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-31578 My Two cents Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:50:09 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=29462#comment-31578 Aren’t we just talking about meeting announcements? There are no meeting documents printed in the newspaper. Do we really need to save that information for posterity? Most meetings have minutes or reports issued to show what happened at the meeting. For me that is the record worth saving.

It just seems quite simple to me. There should be an announcement web page run by the city where they are required to post all meeting/public hearing announcements. If the information is not there then fault lies with the city. The public will have one guaranteed place where they know to look for this information.

A benefit is that packets and other meeting materials could also be linked to these announcements. Currently, the newspaper only prints the announcement not the meeting materials. It could be one stop shopping for the public.

I am envisioning something like the calendar system used for city council but use it for all meetings. However I think there would need to be a different format to layout the meeting announcements in a better manner. The current format of using one line with a title would be too vague.

The public has to take some responsibility for being informed; they can go to the city website to look for the information they want. To force the city government to publish the information somewhere else where hardly anyone will see it or benefit from it just seems inefficient. There is no practical purpose (besides that we legally have to) to pay money to publish in the Washtenaw Legal News or other location that is not well known to the general population. To continue doing that,, just because we legally have to when everyone knows that it does not justify “real”public notice, is just plain wrong in my opinion..

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By: Matt Hampel http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/05/another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-31577 Matt Hampel Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:06:05 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=29462#comment-31577 And documents usually go missing for completely natural reasons – computer crashes, out-of-date, etc. Requiring redundancy is a perfectly legitimate preservation strategy.

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By: Joel Goldberg http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/05/another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-31533 Joel Goldberg Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:26:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=29462#comment-31533 Two Cents, the difficulty with letting government bodies self-publish notices is that leaves no independent, third-party archive of what they contained. It doesn’t take a conspiracy theorist to recognize that it’s too easy for electronic documents to go missing or subsequently alter to reflect their desired contents.

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By: Edward Vielmetti http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/05/another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-31502 Edward Vielmetti Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:29:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=29462#comment-31502 It’s not clear to me (as a subscriber to the Washtenaw Legal News) that that publication qualifies as a newspaper suitable for legal publications. The latest issue, which is typical, had 5 or 6 pages of “news and editorial content”, and another 30 or so pages of advertising, which is only at most 20% content and not the required 25%.

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By: My Two Cents http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/05/another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-31488 My Two Cents Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:43:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=29462#comment-31488 Joel, I do agree with you, but if people are going to be required to go to a web page to look up notices then why don’t they just go to a specified “announcements” page on the city website. That would actually save the city money that they would have spent posting on the on-line newspapers. Also, people might actually learn more about their city government if they spent time perusing the city website.

As we all know, the newspaper requirement was there before the web was created. We no longer have a newspaper. I say lets not make the city “publish” the announcements in places that are not effective (Detroit free press, etc.) and waste time and money. The purpose of the “publication” requirement is to give the public “notice” about upcoming meetings; going to an announcement page on the city webpage satisfies the purpose of public notification. With no effective printed newspaper in town, the requirement calling for a notice to be printed in a newspaper (when we don’t actually have one) is just a silly requirement now.

Change of habit is involved with these changing times, and if we are going to make people adapt to a new system, I say lets make the new system cost efficient for the city. If people want to know about city issues it makes sense to go to an official webpage listing all the issues/public hearings that previously would have been printed in the newspaper.

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By: Joel Goldberg http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/05/another-draft-of-downtown-design-guides/comment-page-1/#comment-31486 Joel Goldberg Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:23:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=29462#comment-31486 Since nowhere does the definition of “newspaper” indicate that it needs to be a hard copy, one common-sense option might be to request an opinion from the state’s Attorney General as to whether the definition of “newspaper” can include those those “published” on the web that meet all the other criteria.

This could also be a major cost-saving strategy in this era of hard-pressed municipal budgets — and would also allow for the last-minute revision of agendas, with less worry about publication deadlines.

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