Comments on: Navigating Library Lane http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=navigating-library-lane it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Pete http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32545 Pete Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:51:55 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32545 Were there at some point drawings or statements that implied the ‘ground level’ of the parking structure would be open green space, like a park? Or am I just imagining a brighter past?

I also have to agree that it’s a bit strange that we’re worried about creating a ‘drop-off zone.’ I thought this parking structure was going to magically encourage everyone to park and stay downtown?

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By: KGS http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32542 KGS Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:38:28 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32542 It appears that the pull-off is gone from the plans. If you look in the Request for Proposal from the city, the plans show the area in front of the library entrance as being parallel parking. [Link]

I must say that I do not understand why people drop off anyone on Fifth, and that would seem only more dangerous as we move from 4 lanes to 2 in front of the library. I seem to recall this coming up before, though, and someone doing a search to find if there had been any accidents there. Apparently there was no evidence to support the theory that this is an ‘accident waiting to happen’. But my memory may be fuzzy on this, and I’m not entirely sure where I read about it… maybe it was on Arbor Update.

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32541 Fred Zimmerman Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:30:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32541 Gee, Library Alley doesn’t sound so bad to me. I have many positive associations with Diagon Alley.

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By: abc http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32539 abc Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:58:25 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32539 The success or failure of Library Lane will be based solely on how it is done. If it is treated as a real street it could succeed. If it is treated like Liberty Plaza it will fail. When I hear terms such as “pedestrian corridor” or saying it will possess “a variety of pedestrian-friendly features” I fear that it will be the latter.

The current drop off on 5th is terrible because 5th is a small highway through the city; a four lane wide road with lights timed to keep traffic moving at a steady 35 to 40 mph does not mix with a pull off for library patrons (despite someone’s call for “traffic calming”). Nevertheless Library Lane will not succeed just because a 5th Street drop off is senseless. Library Lane will only succeed if it is designed and built like a real street, with new buildings that face to Library Lane that are filled with businesses giving pedestrians many reasons to be there. Anything short of that and it should be called Library Alley because that is all it would be.

I could see first floor coffee and / or sandwich shops thriving across from the library, what a perfect combination. I can see second floor professional offices and 2 story residents above those making modest four-story buildings, all taking advantage of south facing windows and street views to Library Lane. Visualize Washington between Main and Ashley, without the continuous street, and you will have an idea but it could be better than that.

I can imagine a narrow street with wide sidewalks that can accommodate seating and umbrellas, with parallel parking to protect the pedestrians which will also keep traffic going slow. If need be the street can be paved with cobbles; the bumps dissuade drivers from stomping on the gas, and the noise helps make it easier to understand the approaching vehicle and its speed.

But alas I have been through the DDA’s information, as well as the Library’s, none of this is planned. We are planning a glorified alley, call it what you want.

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By: Marvin Face http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32523 Marvin Face Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:31:11 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32523 Sounds like library lane will have a lot more vehicle-friendly features than pedestrian-friendly features and will be the accident waiting to happen. Still think it’s a bad idea and the better idea is a drop-off on the newly traffic-calmed 5th.

However, I realize that the reality of the situation is that it is too far along and is a done deal so I’ve already spent too much time on this.

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By: David Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32522 David Cahill Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:44:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32522 The Library’s surveys show that most people come to the Downtown Library by car. Many of them succumb to the almost irresistible temptation to drop off passengers (including children) on Fifth Avenue in front of the Library. This situation is, literally, an “accident waiting to happen”.

Library Lane, with a variety of pedestrian-friendly features, will be a dramatic improvement.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32519 Rod Johnson Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:52:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32519 That pull-off is in fact in the plan: [link (10 meg pdf file)]. And, looking at that plan, it’s hard to see where Library Lane would go.

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By: Marvin Face http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32518 Marvin Face Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:46:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32518 First, I suppose my view is colored by the notion that downtown libraries don’t need special off-street “drop-offs”. All my neighbors walk to the library, kids (little kids) in tow. I walk/bike to the library becuase I work downtown. My wife takes the kids and they walk. I don’t ever believe I have accessed the downtown library by car in my 20 years of living in Ann Arbor. I have driven to the branches several times.

Second, this additional street, library lane, will cause nothing but additional car/walker conflicts. People will park along both sides with flashers on as they “just run in for a second”. Also, everyone parking in the new parking garage will have to cross this street right where people turn into it from 5th.

If they are making improvements to 5th and making parking spaces by taking out a lane, create a pull-off on 5th right in front of the library if everyone is so determined to drive.

It just seems so meaningless to create a street that ends at 5th and Division and doesn’t go anywhere further.

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By: Matt Hampel http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32517 Matt Hampel Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:58:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32517 A street – or some cul-de-sac – is very much necessary. People stop in Division all the time to let out and pick up passengers.

Also necessary is a marked pedestrian crossing to Blake, which might already be on the way with other planned DDA Division Street improvements. (could we make an underground tunnel, now that everything is being dug out for the lot anyways?)

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/10/29/navigating-library-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-32516 Rod Johnson Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:55:08 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=30927#comment-32516 I’m with Marvin. We need fewer streets, not more. Every intersection is a tiny injection of chaos (what do traffic engineers call’em–conflict points). A little pedestrian lane would be a civilizing amenity, and would fit well with the new streetscape taking shape on Division and Fifth. Surely there are other ways of providing access (like the current Fifth Ave plan, which has a little in’n'out loop in front).

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