Comments on: AATA Board: Get Bids to Rebuild Blake http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Jens Zorn http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35278 Jens Zorn Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:03:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35278 If, from time to time, a larger board meeting room is needed at the 4th Avenue location, perhaps a suitable space could be found in the Public Library, just across the street.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35265 Dave Askins Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:52:08 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35265 Re [15]. Yes, bus rapid transit is a “fixed guideway.” McCormick’s comment is also accurate as far as it went, namely, if the result of the connector study is that a light rail system is analyzed as feasible, then Act 196 (with its provision for a 25-year millage for fixed guideway systems) would pose a benefit. The benefit would also extend to BRT if that were recommended as a feasible alternative as a part of the study. But there’s a possibility that the north-south connector study shows that the numbers just don’t work to make any sort of signature service feasible along that corridor.

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By: Joel Batterman http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35263 Joel Batterman Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:36:48 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35263 Another point of clarification: Would bus rapid transit (BRT) using a dedicated busway not qualify as a “fixed guideway” system? I thought I may have read previously that it would, but McCormick’s comment doesn’t suggest that.

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35253 Fred Zimmerman Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:44:31 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35253 Dumb question, but what’s wrong with the current transit center? It seems to be doing just fine in its primary function, i.e. providing somewhere sheltered for people to stand (outside) while they wait for their bus.

Twenty-two years isn’t very old. Parts of the downtown library are close to fifty years old and they’re making it last.

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By: Chuck Warpehoski http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35238 Chuck Warpehoski Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:24:58 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35238 re: Vivienne’s “red flag” mentioned in 1 and 12, these financial projections are based on Ted Annis’ assumption that a 1 mill county-wide tax would replace the 2 mill Ann Arbor tax. He’s not acting on the donut or the layer cake model. He envisions an equal tax across the county (is that a pizza crust model?).

re: the question of education, I think there’s a bit of a chicken and an egg thing going on here. First, I doubt many people will pay attention until there’s actually a question on the ballot. Second, a lot of the service that may be most valuable to rural parts of the county aren’t very visible. Things like A-Ride and Door-through-Door service could be very important, but they don’t have the visibility that fixed bus routes do. So, it will be hard to do good education and feedback until there is a plan and something to vote on.

I’m not saying there shouldn’t be efforts to do education and get feedback. Personally, I would like the consultants to come up with a few different scenarios that the AATA could get feedback on from people in all parts of the county prior to finalizing a plan.

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By: Leslie Morris http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35236 Leslie Morris Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:51:07 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35236 I second the number one “red flag” raised by Vivienne Armentrout: “Staff amalysis assumes that service within the city of Ann Arbor would necessarily drop, because of the decreased contribution (by half) by Ann Arbor taxpayers to the system.”

A county-wide millage needs very strong support from Ann Arbor voters to pass. The strongest contingent of that support should be current AATA users. What current Ann Arbor city transit users want is better service (that is, more buses on heavily used routes at peak times, and more evening and weekend service.) If the permanent transit millage is not used at least in part to improve transit service within Ann Arbor, potential strong supporters of a new millage will be converted into equally strong opponents. Any decrease in service to Ann Arbor city users will generate a campaign to “Save Our Buses”.

I think the designers of any successful county-wide transit program are likely to take this into account. If they don’t, the proposed millage will not pass.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35232 Vivienne Armentrout Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:31:45 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35232 Steve, the rides are already discounted. The fares do not amount to the cost of each ride. I think that what most motivates people to use the service is the convenience and/or necessity. I actually possess a free senior pass now but don’t ride very often because the service to my neighborhood doesn’t run at night or weekends and only hourly during the day, so I have to plan very carefully if I want to use the bus.

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35214 Steve Bean Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:15:40 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35214 Not to get to far off the topic, but preceding comments triggered some thoughts that led to this: Since city residents and other property owners pay the taxes that support AATA, might it be worthwhile to give those taxpayers a credit (in whatever form would be efficient–tokens, punchcard, whatever) for a number of ‘free’ bus rides each year.

I’m thinking that it might give us all a way to vote with our rides that could provide some useful information, as well as more tightly connect us with our investment. I’ve ridden the bus in the past but don’t much anymore. I can imagine that those who don’t ride The Ride would find it difficult to support enthusiastically. Any thoughts on the potential value of something like this? (I’m less interested in thoughts on the practicalities of implementing something–let’s not constrain our thinking from the outset.)

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By: emily b http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35200 emily b Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:06:42 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35200 Its important to educate the public, not in order to tell them what they SHOULD want, but in order to help them understand the different possibilities involved with public transportation. Many people in this country, especially in this car-culture dominant state, have a very negative view of public transportation, which may or may not be based in reality. The problem is, of course, we get what we pay for. And if we put little money into public transportation, we will get little out of it.

I believe more people would ride public transportation if it were more efficient: more frequent service, service to more areas, more rapid service. But in order to make it more efficient, we have to lay down a lot of money to start, to create more routes, or express routes, or a dedicated bus rapid transit lane, for example. That’s why it is necessary to educate voters on these issues, and to help them visualize the possibilities. And that’s why it is better to have millages on a longer-term basis.

It’s not that I think people are too stupid to figure out what’s best for them, but there have been a lot of cultural forces going against public transit, and few people of any education level know much about the possibilities of public transit. Really, it’s just something you have to experience to “get”.

Having lived in Portland, Oregon, I know how a good public transit system functions. However, it is not perfect, and has it’s downsides, just as driving does, on a personal comfort basis. You have to deal with being in close proximity with people from all walks of life, which is something most people in America have very little experience with. We are also very protective of our personal space, which I think is partly borne of our experience as car-drivers. The ways we get around shape who we are, and habits are difficult to break.

But if we care about global warming, pollution, and the economic and cultural vitality of our cities, we need to change the way we view public transit. It is the future, and we need to make it what we want it to be, because it is inevitable that we as a society are going to shift toward it.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/17/aata-board-get-bids-to-rebuild-blake/comment-page-1/#comment-35191 Dave Askins Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:15:30 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34044#comment-35191 Re: [6] and examples of communities where transportation millages have failed or passed only with great difficulty.

In [3] I didn’t mean to suggest that transportation millages are easy to pass. I meant only to suggest that there are some communities, like Flint and Bay City, where it appears that the transit authorities now go into their regular millage votes with some confidence that it will pass.

And in those communities where a transportation millage passes, I think it’s likely due to the fact that the voters have a clear understanding of the transit they’re being offered, and there’s a good match between the offer and what they want (either for themselves or for others), delivered at a price that’s reasonable.

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