Comments on: Parking in the Parks, Art on the River http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Barbara O'Donnell http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-36326 Barbara O'Donnell Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:00:43 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-36326 Football parking at OUR city parks is a NO NO –

If it flies I hope no children or animals fall in car grease or trip on beer cans –

Is the City going to remove grass and put in cememt so it can be hosed down ???????????????

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By: Christopher http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-36004 Christopher Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:56:01 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-36004 Nobody has addressed the question of what parking does to the quality of the turf. A car drove through one of my neighborhood parks six years ago. When it snows or even when the dew is on the grass, we can still easily see the marks today. And when you get up close in summer, you can see a difference in the density of the grass.

A car’s weight significantly compresses the air out of soil, especially if the soil has been fluffed up for decades by frost and earthworms. Compacted soil does NOT support lush plant growth for a long time. Do we really want to make a few bucks now that we pay for with long-lasting deterioration of the park surface?

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By: zollar http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-35768 zollar Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:52:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-35768 Regarding the water art sculptures…you’ve got to be kidding. All I see is a object sure to be battered by passing canoes.Yep students and others love to drink beer as they canoe, and by the time they reach the ” art sculptures” they should be three sheets to the wind. ( I observe this behavior as I bike, hike, and fish along the river)

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By: Andrea http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-35708 Andrea Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:04:14 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-35708 Regarding Allmendinger football parking: I agree with the comments above about this being a horrible idea! Parks are not meant to be abused by football saturdays. This will cause a huge nuisance in our neighborhood. Just because the city is broke, they don’t have to destroy what IS working. Leave our parks alone!!

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By: Lynn http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-35694 Lynn Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:09:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-35694 I believe in the unrepaired broken window theory of a neighborhood’s decline – one unrepaired broken window indicates no one cares about the property, encourages others to not care, leading to more unrepaired broken windows and an ensuing deterioration of the area. I believe people are more likely to litter in an area where they already see trash lying about. I believe turning a park into a parking lot will encourage passers by to view it as such and treat it accordingly.

I have lived across Allmendinger Park for almost 30 years and believe I have more intimate knowledge of the park’s use and misuse than do the Parks and Rec people who have proposed turning it into a parking lot. I have seen football tailgaters drive their vehicles through the park, dump their trash and hot coals from their grills in the park, urinate in the open. I have seen high schoolers come to the park to deal drugs and engage in fistfights. I have watched parents of little league football players park their cars illegally around the park and leave their trash on the ground after watching their children practice. I have listened to loud parties in the park after it is supposed to be closed for the night. More often than not the police have not responded to calls from residents by the park to address the neighborhood’s concerns because of a lack of available manpower and the assignment of a low priority to these calls. The only effective means to address these concerns, I have found, is to be seen writing down the license plate numbers of offending vehicles. When the owners of the vehicles see that happening they see that somenoe cares about what they are doing in the park and tend to quickly modify their behavior rather than face potential consequences for it. Park workers I have talked with over the years have consistently stated they do not have the manpower available to address many of these issues; so it falls to neighborhood residents to care about the park, police the park and look out for maintaining the quality of the neighborhood for both residents and non-resident users of the park.

Now Parks and Rec sees the park as a potential cash cow, not a public trust. They would turn it into a parking lot and a trash dump for non-residents. There is no way a few park employees will manage the plethora of problems that will arise for the neighborhood if this proposal goes into effect. Once the psychological barrier is broken regarding the purpose of this piece of land, the first unrepaired window will have occurred and the city will be complicit in the neighborhood’s decline.

I have always supported proposed millage increases for city parks in order to maintain the city’s quality of life, whether or not I use particular parks and services. If this park becomes just another revenue stream, I will know the Parks and Rec Department has lost sight of its mission. I will never again vote to support parks in the city.

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By: Mark S. http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-35690 Mark S. Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:39:31 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-35690 Parking at Allmendinger? Bad idea.

Despite the similarity between the two words, parks are not for parking; parks are for recreation. If you’ve ever seen this park on the morning of a game you’d never want to fill it with cars. Fans are tailgating; kids are running around; people are tossing footballs, Frisbies and bocce balls.

If you’ve ever seen the gridlock around this park the hour after a game you’d never plan to have a couple hundred additional cars trying to exit the park and enter the streets.

And as was pointed out above: what about the condition of the park during the season, after the first few games and up until the re-seeding has any affect? Unusable?

Not cool. Help us out here Marcia and Margie.

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By: Fred Posner http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-35663 Fred Posner Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:53:36 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-35663 I am neither shocked nor surprised about the city’s decision to look at selling parks or allowing parking on them. After all, when the voters approved a millage in 2006 to fund improvements to the park system I am certain this is exactly what they had in mind.

Also, +1 re the “dick move” on #3. Rod simply stated it perfectly.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-35660 Alan Goldsmith Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:03:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-35660 I love the idea some people are worried the art will be used as trash cans. I guess their concept of art doesn’t include functional art.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-35654 Rod Johnson Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:45:30 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-35654 Not to get off-topic (no, wait) but I love the idea of the sculptures in the river. I can’t see them actually inconveniencing anyone–they would be just another element in the landscape, and only temporarily. Threatening, even in a veiled way (#3), to enforce your own taste by make sure it “comes down” is kind of a dick move. Why not, instead, let it go so other people can enjoy it?

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By: David Lewis http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/21/parking-in-the-parks-art-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-35625 David Lewis Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:09:36 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34186#comment-35625 Mike: You should write the mayor and your council members and see where they stand on this.

The last time this came up, the mayor and 4th ward council members shot it down.

From the article it appears that neighborhood representatives were aware of the discussion at the parks commission and spoke at the meeting.

You will surely have a lot of time to be included in the decision, council won’t vote on the budget until May.

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