Comments on: Column: Visions for the Library Lot http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-visions-for-the-library-lot it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36294 Dave Askins Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:57:35 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36294 Re: [6] and [7] I’ve uploaded the .pdf files of the student presentations and provided links to them inserted at the end of the article. They range in size from 10-20MB.

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By: David http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36268 David Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:02:53 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36268 The job discussion pretty interesting. I would agree with Mary that if you want to live in a certain place, don’t care what kind of job you have and are very flexible on salary then moving first and finding a job second can work. However, if you have a specific set of job skills and a specific professional/career interest you are going to move to where you can find a job that fits your criteria. The latter is where one finds the high paying employees as discussed above. There are not a lot of these opportunities in Ann Arbor.

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By: Gary Salton http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36231 Gary Salton Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:11:27 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36231 Steve–I cannot subscribe to your goal of a “sustainable community.” Too easy. You can get that with people who work in Chelsea and live in Ann Arbor. It would be a small town but sustainable and meet your goal.

I would offer an alternative goal. How about THE GREAT research/development/entrepreneurial center of the Midwest. This goal is perhaps a bit modest. It does not seek to supplant Silicon Valley. We can amend the goal later to do that. In my opinion, this is an achievable goal and one that worth pursuing.

Another opinion: The absolute bottom of “high paying jobs” is $150,000. This is the kind of salary mid-level managers get in the major firms. It seems to me to be a reasonable standard.

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By: Fred Posner http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36225 Fred Posner Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:06:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36225 Steve,

If you bring in high paying jobs, other jobs will follow (anything from service to assistants to lower level).

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By: Steve Bean http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36211 Steve Bean Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:11:40 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36211 There’s a difference between rebuilding population and retaining otherwise temporary residents (mostly students) and attracting employees to new and existing businesses. For example, we could rebuild population by attracting retirees. It would be helpful to put such discussions into the context of our community goals. (Mine is sustainable community — I wonder if we have a consensus for that.)

What about jobs that you wouldn’t consider high paying, Fred? They can’t all be, and aren’t.

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By: Fred Posner http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36192 Fred Posner Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:10:10 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36192 Nancy,

That’s a nice perspective but 2002 was a lot different than now. Since 2002, the population that has left Michigan is so large a number that an exodus of that magnitude has never been factored, studied, or quantitated. Add to that the highest unemployment in the nation, and simply (I feel very strongly that) the only way to attract people is to attract good jobs. Good, high paying jobs are important to rebuilding population. Then the city needs to make itself very attractive for companies to not only start-up, but stay.

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By: Nancy Shore http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36157 Nancy Shore Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:11:58 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36157 Mary,
Great and thoughtful article. I also really appreciate all of the comments here. Lots of good points.

As someone who is still a young professional (though at 30 I am quickly moving out of that demographic) I definitely agree that the students vision is something I am many other young professionals want. Many of the communities that younger folks are moving to are walkable, with lots of vibrancy. And I feel like I need to stress that we can have more of these things in Ann Arbor without sacrificing Ann Arbor to the alter of extreme-urbanism. We don’t have to become Chicago or New York development-wise to have some of the great aspects of those places.

I would also say that while jobs are clearly important (especially in this economy) people do move to areas and then try to find jobs. The organization Michigan Future has documented this phenomenon and has concluded that place matters a lot for knowledge workers. It’s actually an interesting chicken and egg concept. If you focus on quality of place do jobs follow or vice versa?

Personally, my husband and I moved to Ann Arbor because we heard it was a lot like Madison, WI. We moved to Madison after college and loved it. I was also interested in graduate school at some point, so the idea of moving to Ann Arbor seemed great. So we moved here when both of us were in our early 20s (in 2002) without jobs or family connections. And we found work and I went to graduate school and we loved it here so much that we stayed. However, we also know many friends that have had to move out of this state because they couldn’t find jobs.

Mary, thanks again for the great article.

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By: Gary Salton http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36126 Gary Salton Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:04:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36126 Hey guys, no mystery here. Young adults need stuff to launch a life. They’ll follow the money. Is it possible to integrate the grand designs all commentators aspire to with income generating opportunity? Seems to me that this kind of thing should be a component of the thinking. It also seems to me that Peter Allen comes the closest to this kind of thinking.

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By: Peter Allen http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36122 Peter Allen Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:18:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36122 Tom Whitaker described very well the challenge and promise of linking all the key sites, issues, stakeholders and opportunities around the new city center that could occur within a block of the new 700 car underground parking structure at the library lot. I would like to add a few other sites and issues to his summary: all the transit options, especially how the new Fuller Rd Gateway Center to Ann Arbor might connect Ann Arbor to downtown Detroit and to the world via Metro Airport; how the possible trolley or light rail might connect Gateway, former Pfizer (NCRC), and U of M campuses to downtown; and how the rezoning of downtown and all the commercial properties might change the places that people will work and live. We are at a watershed moment for Ann Arbor for the next 100 years. How do we merge all the interests of the neighbors, the citizens of Ann Arbor thru City Council and Planning Commission, the AATA, the U of M, the Library Board, the Parks Advisory Commission, the various owners of the properties and the U of M graduates we want to stay in Ann Arbor into a combined vision? Peter Allen

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2009/12/28/column-visions-for-the-library-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-36101 Rod Johnson Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:03:42 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=34630#comment-36101 A great summary, Tom.

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