Comments on: “It Looks Like a Great Burn Day” http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Chris http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42616 Chris Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:41:25 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42616 RE: CO2 emissions, this article is talking about grassland burning, so it might not address your question 100%, but it will help: [link]. It’s a fairly easy read, but has good citations and solid science behind its reasoning. Bassically, the paper suggests that Chuck’s supposition is dead on. The burns stimulates the growth of prairie grasses by removing dead grass that would inhibit growth, allowing grasses to grow quicker and longer. While there is a release of CO2 into the atmosphere, the grasses are able to sequester more carbon than is released by a significant amount. Interestingly, the author notes that trees do NOT sequester carbon

Chuck is also correct that lightning strikes would be one way for “natural” burns to occur. In a given ecosystem, fires can occur at fairly regular intervals, and any resulting fires are generally “cool” fires. Many tree species have adapted to this pattern, and some, such as the Jack pine, are wholly fire dependant for reproduction. Our fire repression regime, on the other hand, allows brush build up so that when a fire eventually does happen, either through arson or more natural causes, the results are catostrophic (think the California wildfires of a couple years ago).

Finally, Johnboy clearly doesn’t know his history very well. Far from being “eco-fads”, controlled burns have been used by civilizations around the world for thousands of years. It’s only been in the past hundred years or so that fire repression has become the norm, and anyone who has taken an advanced ecology course knows the benefits.

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By: Chuck Warpehoski http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42609 Chuck Warpehoski Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:08:57 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42609 What would be natural would be periodic, uncontrolled, spontaneous fires from lightning strikes or other sources. I don’t want that in my neighborhood, so planned, controlled, low-level burns are a great alternative.

I’m not sure on the net CO2 impact, so I don’t qualify as the “knowledgeable” voice that Pete asked for, but I wouldn’t be surprised if these burns were carbon-negative due to increasing the growth of larger plants that store more carbon. Anyone know for sure?

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By: Pete Richards http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42600 Pete Richards Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:33:41 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42600 Anybody knowledgeable to speak to the CO2 greenhouse gases implications associated with burning?

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By: Me http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42589 Me Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:16:36 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42589 Clearly anybody who took Biology 101 would learn a great deal about the proper use of tax dollars. Um, yeah.

But anybody who took any more advanced biology would know that the greatest threats to biodiversity are:

1) Habitat destruction

2) Invasive species

I think you should do a little experiment. Bring a little Garlic Mustard into your back yard, into your prized garden bed, let it ‘naturalize’, and then tell me how much more ‘diversity’ you have in 5 years. After 15 years, when your neighborhood flora has been destroyed by this “non-PC plant” and all the butterflies and birds you used to like are gone, I will come over and help you remove the mustard from your hood and begin the healing process.

Speaking as someone who studying ecology and has worked in the field, I can tell you there is a good reason that invasive species are compared to cancer. And not something like prostate cancer. More like a metastatic melanoma. They spread, they spread fast, and if you don’t catch it (them) early, it is next to impossible to get rid of them.

As if the Emerald Ash Borer has increased diversity

As if the Asian Carp has increased diversity

As if Kudzu has increased diversity

More species at any given moment does not equal more diversity.

And yes, us Bi-peds are a fine example. There indeed are too many of us. But it is our hands off approach to nature, thinking that we are outside of nature, that is causing most of the problems. We, as a culture, can’t grasp that we are completely a part of what goes on outside, whether its habitat conversion to subdivision, the spread of aggressive non-native plants, or simply driving our cars too much.

You John-Boy, are part of the ‘natural’ processes that are taking place if you want to acknowledge it or not. You can make the decision to make a difference and defend our natural areas, or continue to use your Bio101 knowledge and let the world change for the worse, without your input. I hope you choose to learn more.

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By: johnboy http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42574 johnboy Thu, 08 Apr 2010 07:34:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42574 Dude – The NAP division is a waste of tax dollars. It has nothing to do with keeping out parks natural or preserved. It is just there to follow the latest eco-fad in a very trendy and fad oriented town. The only true “invasive species” is the two legged one that goes into our parks and plays God by tearing out non-politically correct plants and then setting fire to what is left.

If you want natural parks then STAY OUT of the parks. Mother nature can restore a park all by herself. Just leave her alone. Please explain to me how pulling up dozens of non-PC plants increases diversity. IT IS NATURAL for a specific species of plant to dominate an area that is favorable to it’s growth requirements. Undergrowth is NATURAL. Burning it off is UNNATURAL.

Many of the so called “invasive species” were actually brought over here from other continents to increase our diversity. You don’t increase diversity by eliminating species.

Anybody who took Biology 101, and paid attention, knows that attempting to eliminate and one species in an area that is surrounded by that species is simply a waste of time and tax dollars. Lets say that by some magic (or great expenditure of tax dollars) you pulled up every garlic mustard and buckthorn plant in Ann Arbor. What would happen in 3-5 years? Thanks to the birds and wind, all the garlic mustard and buckthorn would be right back where it was growing before. “Invasive species” in an eco-fad.The only true “invasive species” are human beings. Dude

OK, OK, as much as it hurts, I’ll have to admit NAP DOES some good things like monitoring and recording vegetation and wildlife also trail maintenance. But I wish they would stick to the really constructive programs and stay away from eco-fads.

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By: Pete Richards http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42546 Pete Richards Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:57:16 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42546 It’s cool; it’s what the native Americans did to keep the underbrush down and more walkable as well as better for hunting, they kept this area looking like a prairie park with big oaks I was taught.

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By: Matt http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42542 Matt Thu, 08 Apr 2010 00:42:11 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42542 I would like to point out that NAP does many other things with the money that the taxpayers have voted to give them. Most of the things they do fall under the category of ecological restoration, such as herbaceous invasives removal, brush removal, prescribed burning, and monitoring of vegetation and wildlife in the parks. In addition, they remove trees over trail, do trail maintenance and construction, locate hazard trees for the forestry department to remove, and lead educational programs. While doing all of this, they leverage a small, mostly temporary seasonal staff, with many many hours of volunteer help. While some people may not agree with the ecological importance of our city parks, NAP is also responsible for upkeep and access to all city ‘natural areas’, basically any city park portion that’s not mowed. And I feel that it’s totally worth it to have many beautiful places to bike, walk, and run in.

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By: Rita Mitchell http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42516 Rita Mitchell Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:21:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42516 The article does a great job of describing the details of the burn process. It would be great to do a follow up article describing the reasons for controlled burning: control of invasive species, and the results of such work. Retaining our native species diversity of plants, insects, birds and mammals is key, and information from our local experts will be a great contribution to community understanding and support of the NAP. The burn efforts help reduce buckthorn, garlic mustard, honeysuckle, and other invasives that ultimately crowd out our beautiful native plants (such as the bloodroot pictured). Maintaining diverse plant life supports native insects and wildlife, our unique heritage and environment.

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By: Susan Lackey http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42514 Susan Lackey Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:53:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42514 Mary,

Thanks for an article that points out the hard work that goes into keeping natural areas, well, natural. Ann Arbor Natural Areas Program has an admirable and well deserved reputation for stewardship on the lands they manage.

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By: gill http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/06/it-looks-like-a-great-burn-day/comment-page-1/#comment-42484 gill Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:43:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40673#comment-42484 Most of these people are volunteers, so the cost to run this program is small in comparison to your police and fire departments. I am sorry that you have such disdain for maintaining a diverse and healthy natural environment, johnboy.

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