Comments on: Six-Vote Majority Leaves The Moravian Short http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42832 Rod Johnson Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:07:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42832 What a revoltin’ development this is: [link]

“‘I spent five years of my life, a lot of money, and a lot of time, and put up with a lot of intimidation trying to do what I thought could help,’ Clark said.” I’m sure Clark’s altruism will be a true inspiration to the voters. With his puppy dog eyes, floppy hair and sweater vests, Clark may the vanguard of a new generation of emo property developers.

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By: mr dairy http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42739 mr dairy Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:30:35 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42739 If the demand is for one and two bedroom units is real and it appears that it is, why didn’t Mr Helminski and Mr Clark design their building exclusively with one and two bedroom dwelling units? And to make if affordable, they could have cut out the frills like a rooftop playground?

I’ve held the opinion for many decades that part of the appeal of any city that has some degree of popularity is that is not a homogenous or sterilized place. That an effort is made to allow some “grit” to remain so the streets and neighborhoods don’t look like Mainstreet USA at Disneyworld. But the zeal for urban development and design here in Ann Arbor seems to be an effort to homogenize, sterilize and refine the “character” of the city until it becomes unrecognizable.

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By: Nick Stanley http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42734 Nick Stanley Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:04:11 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42734 Thanks for all the hard work, I’m sure this was a mess to sort through.

Per your tweet, I would love to see this, “followed by a column on effective public commentary.”

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By: suswhit http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42727 suswhit Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:40:08 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42727 Rod- you are as hip as it gets. I love your post.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42720 Rod Johnson Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:14:08 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42720 Yeah, I lived in Walt Spiller’s house (548 S. Fifth) for years, and our block of Fifth, at least, was a real neighborhood. We did errands for Miss Kern across the street (I know a lot of people remember Esther, for good or ill), I spent a summer helping renovate a neighbor’s house (my friend Steve met the woman he married when he was painting a fence and she came out to offer him some lemonade), and we all had lots of friends up and down the block (several of who still live there 20 years later and were quoted in the article). Far from being run down, our house and several others were owner-occupied and had recently been renovated, and the tenants were mix of working-class folks, grad students and long-term renters.

I haven’t been friendly to the “Germantown” idea–I don’t think the neighborhood has a real historic identity, and I don’t think it’s a good idea to use a tool as powerful as historic districts to fight one development–but that doesn’t mean that this isn’t a neighborhood. It may not have the cuteness factor of the Old West Side, but it may also not have the smugness factor, and the weird mix of uses (party store, lumber yard, marginal UM building, grungy ex-garage flex space, housing, parking lots) is actually pretty cool. Unlike the tweeer parts of Ann Arbor everyone fawns over, it’s almost… urban. Not all neighborhoods have to be the same, and although Fridgeman’s intensive research may have resulted in him deeming it an “eyesore”… well, really, who the fuck cares, really? Jog somewhere else.

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By: Bob Martel http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42715 Bob Martel Fri, 09 Apr 2010 15:03:35 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42715 I am truly amazed that anyone could look at a proposed project with three and four bedrooms rental units and not see it for what it is: student housing. Are there really all that many “young professionals” out there who want to shack-up with two or three other roommates? I think not.

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By: mr dairy http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42707 mr dairy Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:39:11 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42707 The Moravian is about as creative as a fountain in front of a public building.

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By: MargaretS http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42697 MargaretS Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:23:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42697 @SUSWHIT – I was in my 40′s (an over-the-hill mompreneur) when I rented the garage building on 4th Ave. for my children’s clothing business. I was there for 3 years and moved when we outgrew the space. Was it funky? Absolutely. But it was incredibly cheap and it was fun. High ceilings, loft with spiral staircase, and walls loaded with colorful Ann Arbor history. The previous tennant was an artist/electronic musician. My business employed mostly moms and we all brought our young kids there all the time. Never for a second did we feel unsafe or uncomfortable in the building or neighborhood. Not for a second.

I am dismayed that this land-use issue has been framed as a conflict between old and young. It smacks of the old divide and conquer tactic used for the benefit of a third party – the developers. I also see it as a profit-driven attempt to erase Ann Arbor’s character and replace it with a big box you could find in anywhere USA. Aren’t we any more creative than that?

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By: suswhit http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42695 suswhit Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:44:49 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42695 The problem with the tired old argument that “the houses are run down so why not allow development” is that the Moravian was not your standard development. These developer proposed a building that was too big even to be built by-right in the true downtown. I’m so weary of the “it’s ugly down there, let them build” argument. There are any number of things that could be done in that area that would truly improve our city. That old garage building on 4th? What if it were turned into an artists space with a gallery on the first floor and live/works spaces on the second floor? Those “creative young professionals” who proposed the Moravian and all the previous iterations only ever came up with the brilliant idea to build a massive student dorm. Stunningly unique. Not. Forward thinking. No. Creative. Hardly. How lucky we should feel to have such hipsters in our midst. By all means, apparently, we should throw all our support behind them and let them do whatever they please. Because those houses are not very attractive. If you really think we needed a big student dorm smack in the middle of a near downtown neighborhood then please come up with a more convincing and less worn-out argument. You hip, young professionals should be capable of that, right?

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By: mr dairy http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/04/08/six-vote-majority-leaves-the-moravian-short/comment-page-1/#comment-42670 mr dairy Fri, 09 Apr 2010 02:27:07 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=40656#comment-42670 State building codes only apply to new construction and remodeling of existing structures. They also apply to all electrical, plumbing and mechanical work down in any building, rental or otherwise.

All codes are minimum requirements and “housekeeping” items are open to interpretation. From my experience most poor housekeeping is not the fault of the property owner. It’s easy to understand why an owner might not be so inclined to maintain property above the minimum code requirements because of neglectful tenants who have little respect for their residence or others property.

Yes, decisions for all inspection staff, rental and construction, have been hampered by the dysfunctional operations in PDS. Rental housing inspections have always been at least 6 months behind their required intervals and more often a year or more.

In the case of rental housing inspection, there are often other circumstances that delay inspection, not strictly because of staffing decisions.

In the case of construction code inspections, all I can say is that is a terrible mess that has no solution in sight.

I offer a few observations and suggestions in previous thread on #21, #25 and #29 here. [link]

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