Comments on: Obama’s Michigan Commencement Speech http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/01/obamas-michigan-commencement-speech/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=obamas-michigan-commencement-speech it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Emily http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/01/obamas-michigan-commencement-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-47033 Emily Wed, 26 May 2010 18:02:07 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=42432#comment-47033 Dick Downing: You obviously don’t know much about government. Whether a government is a republic or not has nothing to do with rule by law. A republic is a REPRESENTATIVE democracy. In this case, we elect senators and representatives, we elect electors who elect our president, and our elected officials select the Supreme Court Justices. We don’t vote on laws or judgements, we vote on the people we want to make these decisions for us. That’s what a republic is, and therefore it’s perfectly reasonable to call the U.S. both a republic and a democracy. Also, have you ever heard of the right of eminent domain? That means that if the government thinks that it’s in the best interest of the country, they can take your car or house or whatever they want, as long as they provide just compensation. Also, a democracy can be rule-by-law; it’s not necessarily completely majoritarian. Don’t talk about things you don’t understand, please.

On a slightly related note, the terms Democrat and Republican, referring to political parties, have almost nothing to do with the terms democrat and republican, referring to types of government.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/01/obamas-michigan-commencement-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-45529 Rod Johnson Fri, 07 May 2010 14:22:13 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=42432#comment-45529 I think you can find the roots of Dick’s sentiment in The Federalist, No. 10, but refracted through the paranoia and rage of the right. Madison argues there against direct democracy in favor of representative democracy, and the current talking points identify these as “democrat” and “republican” because they conveniently match the labels of their good and bad guys. It’s the next logical step from their insisting on calling the Democratic Party the “Democrat” party. That didn’t get any traction with the public, so why not just try to tarnish the very word “democratic”? Because, you know, Democrats want to take your car.

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By: Tom Whitaker http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/01/obamas-michigan-commencement-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-45526 Tom Whitaker Fri, 07 May 2010 13:33:51 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=42432#comment-45526 I recall that my government teachers and professors always referred to the U.S. as a “democratic republic.” My understanding of the term “democratic” was that it referred to the “one person, one vote” concept, while the term “republic” meant a representative form of government.

Remember the USSR (The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) or the German Democratic Republic (a.k.a. Communist East Germany)? These countries also had representative forms of government, so they were indeed republics, but the candidates for representative were essentially handpicked Communist party members. Technically, they may have been elected by the people, but since representatives were not freely or fairly elected in a competitive process, these countries were not democratic–republics perhaps, but not democratic ones.

The Soviet Union and East German republics were certainly governed by the “rule of law,” but I don’t think very many citizens in those countries were allowed to own their own house or car. To redefine the term republic as describing some type of libertarian heaven seems misguided to me.

I think I can understand where this sentiment is coming from however. Whether you blame politicians or the media or both, the political middle ground has been slowly disappearing and we are becoming increasingly polarized. With moderate voices drowned out, it’s easy to feel oppressed if your party doesn’t happen to be the one currently in power. If you don’t fully identify with either party, it’s easy to feel completely alone and oppressed by both sides.

This is what the President was talking about in his speech and why many people of all political persuasions found it moving. I think it was very wise and I think history will look back on him as being one of our greatest leaders. I hope and pray that he succeeds in healing our country and bringing us together again. It shouldn’t take a 911 or a war to unite us. We don’t need to agree on everything, but we can cooperate, listen to each other, and try to find a way forward together.

I think we need to have more faith in our representative democracy and work within the system to change things we don’t like. I don’t think it serves our country well to call for a revolution or to threaten to move to Canada every time the political wind shifts away from our sails.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/01/obamas-michigan-commencement-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-45489 Rod Johnson Thu, 06 May 2010 23:04:43 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=42432#comment-45489 Promoting revisionist definitions of these two terms seems to be the tea partiers’ new pastime. But you can’t just make up definitions and expect people to take you seriously. Compare the (first) definitions in the Random House dictionary:

Democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

Republic: a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

There are difference of nuance there, and different historical sources, but the overlap in the meanings of the two terms is very broad. I was taught that democracies tend to vest power directly in the voters, whereas a republic tends to do it indirectly via representatives, but there are all kinds of gray there, and neither definition matches your nonsensical scenarios.

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By: Dick Downing http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/01/obamas-michigan-commencement-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-45429 Dick Downing Thu, 06 May 2010 04:39:34 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=42432#comment-45429 The President quotes Benjamin Franklin’s statement about how we were given a Republic if we can keep it. He then goes on to talk about America being a democracy. A republic and a democracy are two entirely different political systems. A “perfect” democracy is communism which is rule by majority. If the majority decides they want your house or car they can just take it. A republic is rule by law and in our case that includes the Constitution. I would think with his educational background he should know the difference. In a republic if you buy a house or car it is yours and a bunch of people or politicians can’t just come in and take it to give to someone else or keep it as government property.

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By: Linda http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/01/obamas-michigan-commencement-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-45413 Linda Wed, 05 May 2010 23:46:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=42432#comment-45413 I do not always agree with President Obama, but this speech was certainly well thought out and well written. It has made me rethink some issues, which is what good speeches are suppose to do. Kudos to him and his speech writers.

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By: ERM http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/01/obamas-michigan-commencement-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-45412 ERM Wed, 05 May 2010 22:05:59 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=42432#comment-45412 Are you sure this wasn’t the commencement from 1984?

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By: jan barney newman http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/01/obamas-michigan-commencement-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-45113 jan barney newman Sun, 02 May 2010 19:20:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=42432#comment-45113 Thank you for carrying Obama’s speach in its entirity. I’m in Paris and would not have been able to have access to it otherwise. It was inspiring to me and I hope to the class of 2010. One can feel patriotic in absentia and a little homesick.

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