Comments on: In the Archives: Ypsi’s Submarine Diver http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Steve H http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-47644 Steve H Sun, 06 Jun 2010 23:02:03 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-47644 Also–might be interesting to compare cisterns to rain barrels.

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By: cosmonıcan http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-47636 cosmonıcan Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:08:37 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-47636 Steve H. reminded me of an ugly incident. We had a coal furnace converted to oil, and the oil was delivered through pipes in the old coal chute. There was one pipe for the main tank, and one for the reserve. The delivery guy got the wrong pipe, and we ended up with 300 gallons of #1 fuel oil on the basement floor — the house smelt like what the gulf must now, and what a mess!

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By: Steve H http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-47634 Steve H Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:07:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-47634 A related item to the pass-through milk delivery chutes–coal chutes. The coal chute was a heavy metal door on the driveway-side, or front of the house that allowed a coal delivery vehicle to tip a load of coal down a trough, through that opening, into the basement of the house. My folks’ house on the outside edge of the Old West Side of Ann Arbor has one (though the inside was long ago covered over). I’ve seen identical items on many houses.

Until my folks replaced their old furnace–an ‘octopus’ style (because it had many, large, circular ducts–though maybe not eight such), gravity operated (because the hot air rose up through the ducts, rather than being blown) model–the furnace ‘front’ had the multiple doors that allowed shoveling in coal and adjusting the airflow so as to keep the coal burning at the proper rate.

But a drawback to these delivery ‘chutes’–a neighbor family’s home was burgled (may years ago) by means of reaching or crawling in through a milk chute. The saddest aspect of that story: it was likely a neighborhood kid/youths who did the deed, as the chute was known to kids who visited/played at the home, but hidden from street view. Covering over such items makes sense for more than just insulating against cold weather.

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By: Jack N http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-47367 Jack N Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:37:14 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-47367 Elliott Harrington’s story about seeing corpses appearing is if they’d died within hours or days of his arrival is, to say the least, highly suspect. If indeed he reached the wreck of the Atlantic at all, any corpses would have been in much worse shape and in much less “lifelike” poses than described. That’s even granting the fact that the cold water would have delayed decomposition. What would have happened is that fish and other creatures would soon have begun feeding on the corpses.

As one who once served sheriff’s departments in body recovery efforts and whose father “brought up” a dead body that had been sunk in cold water for a couple of weeks, I can assure that such corpses are nightmarish in appearance. I have the nightmares to prove it. So – either Harrington made this up so as not to upset relatives of those lost or the writer of the newspaper article did it for that or similar reasons.

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By: Jack N http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-47366 Jack N Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:24:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-47366 One thing not mentioned so far is that these milk chutes (or the alternative porch) had no refrigeration or insulation. This “system” of home delivering dairy products worked on a primitive level with one underlying assumption: there would be someone home during the day to take the delivery and put it in the refrigerator. That is, subscribers were almost always married home owners (with or without children). It would be the woman who stayed home – that’s the assumption I mean.

I never saw such a pre-made “extra items” device as depicted. Instead: if my stepfather’s customers wanted something extra: they just stuck a rolled up hand written note in the neck of a milk bottle. I remember those notes: taking them back to the truck and having my stepfather put the additional items in the “milk carrier” basket which I then had lug back to the house and leave with the original order.

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By: Jack N http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-47365 Jack N Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:02:18 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-47365 55 years ago, at age 10, I rode as a “jumper” in my stepfather’s Sealtest milk truck for a summer. Oh yes, almost all houses had milk chutes. And wasn’t it fun during summer when one of us would open the outside door of a customer’s chute to be greeted by: a large hornet nest inside!

Oddly the house we lived in at the time lacked a milk chute. But the house we moved to (about 1 mile away in the “city”) did have one. The inside door of the chute never seemed cold in winter: maybe it was because the warm inside air was flowing outward (?).

It certainly seems odd now: people wanting to see this quaint contraption. If only we could predict the future: some items like this could be preserved (at least in photos). Possibly, it might be a good idea for everyone to take pictures of things we now take for granted as “permanent.” Like for instance: the family car.

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By: James C. Crawford http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-46308 James C. Crawford Sat, 15 May 2010 07:11:21 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-46308 It didn’t say anything about a milk “box”. The tag clearly stated that it was to be put in the milk “bottle”. The copyright date is too blurred to make out, but I believe this was before the ‘milk box’ of more modern times was developed. People used to leave their milk bottles on the stoop or porch to be collected and replaced with fresh ones and this tag was used in case ‘extra items’ were needed in addition to the usual order, whereas they used to have to leave notes in the bottles informing the milkman of their additional requirements. As far as I can tell, the milk chute was developed in the 30′s but I cannot state that with 100 % certainty. Prior to that most folks just left the bottles on the porch for the milkman to collect and replace.

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By: Jan Tripp http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-46305 Jan Tripp Sat, 15 May 2010 02:31:19 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-46305 I grew up in West Michigan in the 50s and 60s. Our milkman’s name was Ray and he delivered for Hansen’s Evergreen Dairy in Scottville, Michigan. We had the aluminum insulated milk boxes but because we were out in the country, we didn’t have a milk chute. The bottles were glass, of course, with paper tabs in the top. The best thing (besides the Golden Gurnsey milk with the cream on the top) was riding in Ray’s milk truck down the road to our cousins house. As there were no doors or seat belts, it made for an exciting ride.

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By: Al Feldt http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-46300 Al Feldt Sat, 15 May 2010 01:02:58 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-46300 The house I grew up in near Buffalo still had a milk box when I left there to come to the University in 1950. I was put through it as a child to open the door and I once repeated the act as a locked out teen ager.
In Ann Arbor I recall home milk deliveries to a house on Greenwood where I lived as a student in 1953. A house built in 1958 that I later owned on Gralake also had a milk box.

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By: cosmonıcan http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/13/in-the-archives-ypsis-submarine-diver/comment-page-1/#comment-46248 cosmonıcan Fri, 14 May 2010 15:23:58 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43164#comment-46248 To clarify for Laura: The house with the Animal Hospital was torn down to make room for their new facility (near Stadium & Liberty). The complex I mentioned is in Southfield, but there are similar types around here, it was built around 1963; for comparison, the houses on Hatcher Crescent and the surrounding neighborhood date from roughly 1954 to 1959.

Along Miller Ave, and several blocks north, there were small groceries like Knight’s that existed up until the late 60′s. I remember one at Miller and Brooks, one at Miller and Chapin, a block north of Miller on Fountain, and one way up Spring Street. There was even a shack in the vineyard where the city park is now at Sunset and Vesper where an old lady sold magazines, gum and cigarettes from time to time. If you didn’t have a milk box, it wasn’t a long walk to get milk and eggs if you needed them. I think a lot of neighborhoods around town had little stores like that for staples.

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