Comments on: More Funds Requested for County Jail, Court http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47090 Alan Goldsmith Thu, 27 May 2010 18:25:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47090 As a project maanager, some of these costs seem legit on the surface. But a fixed charge from the City of Ann Arbor seems like it shouldn’t have been missed up front and shows a lack of communication better the County and the City.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47077 Rod Johnson Thu, 27 May 2010 15:16:16 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47077 There are lots of unknowns and unexpected charges in a project like this. No one can anticipate *every* eventuality–that’s why most projects have a contingency. There’s a lot more arbitrariness and sloppiness in the system than people realize. The fact that this project used up its contingency isn’t that unusual, though it’s unfortunate. It doesn’t mean that anyone failed to do their job, it just means it’s a difficult job to get 100% right.

$1.7M contingency in a $34M project is only 5%–I guess that’s pretty standard in public contracts, but it seems kind of small. I suppose it’s because they know they can go back to the well for overruns, and that’s what happened here. They actually came in pretty close. It’s that $861,000 in out-of-scope costs that really hurts, especially that $600,000 for redoing the entrance.

But that’s the kind of arbitrary stuff that kills you. As an example, very late in our project, after all the plans had been approved and contractors engaged, site work partially done, we suddenly heard from the Road Commission that, oh, you can only have one curb cut–which meant the whole parking lot had to be reconfigured at enormous expense, and there was no explanation, no way to appeal, we just had to eat the cost. It rendered one whole parking lot unusable as a parking lot, but we couldn’t take it out because now the fire department wanted it to stay in. So shit happens in construction. It’s an ugly process.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47067 Alan Goldsmith Thu, 27 May 2010 10:40:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47067 The entire Drain Disconnection Let’s Have Sump Pumps lunacy rears its ugly head again.

“Eventually, it is anticipated that footing drains throughout the community will be addressed.”

At tens of millions of dollars and countless homeowner add on expenses. More mismanagement. And why didn’t the county jail know this previously, the extra Ann Arbor city costs?

Maybe council candidates can address this before the August primary but I know most have been on board with this for years as well.

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By: Gary http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47040 Gary Wed, 26 May 2010 21:57:04 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47040 Who didn’t see this coming? Inept management at best.

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By: Mary Morgan http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47036 Mary Morgan Wed, 26 May 2010 19:35:48 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47036 Rod is correct – I followed up with Ken Schwartz, who said the jail is served by the city of Ann Arbor’s sanitary sewer, and that the payment was part of the city’s footing drain disconnection program [link]. Here’s a 2009 Chronicle article on the program: “Drain Disconnect Time for Homeowners.”

In order to connect to the system, non-residential developments are required to pay a fee that’s used to disconnect existing residential footing drains. From the city’s website:

A yearlong study determined that during heavy rainstorms, excessive amounts of rainfall are directed into the sanitary sewer system via home footing drains, which then contributes to the system backing up into basements. It was learned that one of the least expensive and most effective means to address this problem would be to disconnect home footing drains as this would lessen the amount of storm water entering the City sanitary sewer system.

Ann Arbor City Council approved a City ordinance which provides funding for a citywide footing drain disconnection process, with defined eligibility standards. Implementation will follow a systematic schedule designed to provide protection first to those homes most at risk. Neighborhood meetings will be held in each area to answer homeowner questions and share detailed information on the disconnection process and covered costs of the program. Eventually, it is anticipated that footing drains throughout the community will be addressed.

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47035 Fred Zimmerman Wed, 26 May 2010 19:11:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47035 What’s wrong with “prisoners” or “inmates”? even if you have not been convicted, you are a “prisoner” or an “inmate” for the time being.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47032 Vivienne Armentrout Wed, 26 May 2010 17:44:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47032 It isn’t really my area and I can’t claim to have the definitive language. Someone who works with these issues currently should weigh in.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47031 Rod Johnson Wed, 26 May 2010 17:36:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47031 “Guests” :)

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By: Fred Posner http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47030 Fred Posner Wed, 26 May 2010 17:30:05 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47030 I gotta say, I don’t think someone should cringe at the thought of using the word “criminals” to describe people in a jail. A reasonable person would assume that this did not include the employees, visitors, and other such persons in the facility.

However if you are going to cringe at the word criminal to describe someone in jail, don’t replace it with a worse label. The word “offender” is horrible compared to criminal. Criminal can describe having the nature of crime, which although someone may be not-guilty of a criminal offense, if they are currently in jail they have at least met some threshold of suspicion involving criminal activity. Offender, is one who offends (especially one that breaks a public law). To me, that is a harsh word to describe someone who you wish not to offend.

That being said, you can call the persons confined to the jail “occupants” or “detainees” or something else that describes status over nature.

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By: abc http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/05/25/more-funds-requested-for-county-jail-court/comment-page-1/#comment-47028 abc Wed, 26 May 2010 16:35:09 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=43881#comment-47028 Ms Armentrout, I should have used a different expression because while I referenced prisons, this is about a jail. Jails do house people waiting for trial; prisons do not (not including appeals), so I have little doubt that some people who are in jail are simply charged with a crime, but have not yet had their trial, and may indeed be found innocent. Nevertheless in both instances the people occupying these kinds of buildings are, at the time of said fire, not free to come and go as they please.

I was also not trying to be polite or impolite in my choice of the word ‘criminal’ with respect to prisons because, by design, prisons are supposed to only have people in them who have committed a crime.

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