Comments on: Schools: Achievement Gap or Equity Gap? http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: ScratchingmyHead http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47689 ScratchingmyHead Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:30:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47689 Schoolmuse: You sound very rational to me and I think we could have a mature conversation on this subject matter. I would like to hear what your thoughts are and what approach you would use in addressing the achievement gap in the future. One thing I would like to point out is that judging by the bloggers who responded to the Dickens situation…(and let’s not rule them out as being members of the tea party or some other right wing conservative group), and the passage of Prop 6, sentiments toward the achievement gap has changed significantly from 10 years ago and consequently the approach must change. It is my sense that people are tired of the constant talk about the achievement gap and the huge amounts of money that has been spent addressing it without any significant improvements over time. However, judging from the news article above and the summary of the major points from that meeting, the discussion is the same old same old.

Still Scratching my Head.

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By: schoolsmuse http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47685 schoolsmuse Tue, 08 Jun 2010 00:37:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47685 Heartbreaking and frustrating? Yes.
Still, every year there is a new group of kids who need educating, so there’s no sense in stopping trying.
I think it would help to try and figure out what worked, and what didn’t, and why.
And I’m not sure that the schools really want family involvement, even if they give lip service to it. My sense is that a few schools and teachers really want family involvement, and a whole lot more don’t.

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By: ScratchingmyHead http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47681 ScratchingmyHead Mon, 07 Jun 2010 21:53:13 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47681 Steve H. You hit the nail on the head. The discussion about the achievement gap needs to start with a “respectful” dialogue in the African American community about our role and responsibility in seeing that black youth are being academically prepared to face the challenges of living in a knowledge based economy. I use the word “respectful” because all too often, if one has a thought that does not blame white people for the educational failure of our children(you can’t blame white people for Detroit), one often get attacked or discredited by those who confuse posturing with leadership. There is absolutely no reason that black children collectively should be the lowest achievers perennially. Apathy and the inability to engage in mature dialogue and problem solving is one elephant in the room.

Fred: I did not attend the meeting referenced above in the article but I’ve participated in plenty of them. Like you, I too was struck by the fact that “there’s not a single mention of what can be done within families, by families and for families.” That’s the other elephant in the room. Until the role of the family is strengthened and greater accountability is held, we will continue to to be confronted by too many black youth who contribute to the achievement gap.

It is downright heartbreaking and frustrating to have a discussion about this issue all the time. This problem can be and must be addressed not by posturing and more “discussion” and more “finger pointing and blaming” but by people who have a clear vision for the community into the future.

I’m still scratching my head.

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By: Fred Zimmerman http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47666 Fred Zimmerman Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:53:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47666 An interesting (and discouraging) discussion. It’s striking that in the long list of possible actions, there’s not a single mention of what can be done within families, by families, and for families. Perhaps some resources would be better devoted to strengthening families against the host of negative influences to which they are subjected by the “elephant in the room” dominant culture.

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By: Steve H http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47643 Steve H Sun, 06 Jun 2010 23:01:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47643 To follow up on ‘scratchingmyhead”s refernce to an ‘elephant in the room’, seems like that elephant is subject to, or generating the same confusion that the proverbial elephant did when various blind men grabbed its tail, trunk, ear, leg and so on. Each then decided that it was most like a different creature than the other blind men named.

And as in the proverb, we can’t see the elephant. We don’t know exactly why there’s a gap.

So, we need to talk about the different parts of the elephant that we’re aware of—a solution can only come from not just hearing, but *listening* to one another’s views. Such conversations are difficult because they are charged with issues of race, and/or real or presumed agendas. They are nonetheless the route forward.

I don’t know what those conversations need to lead to—does anyone?—but the idea of the achievement gap continuing is a heartbreaking, agonizing thought. In the ‘50s and ‘60s, this country changed after it saw children attacked by police dogs and blasted by firehoses. There are children subject to a gnawing attack dogs and blasting hoses of low achievement. If we could better see the elephant or that gnawing attack dog, we’d take dramatic steps. We need to talk about that elephant/dog so we can get to where we take action.

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By: ScratchingmyHead http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47615 ScratchingmyHead Sun, 06 Jun 2010 00:56:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47615 In reading Jennifer Coffman’s article on the achievement gap, it seems like digging up a time capsule from 30 years ago. I would suggest to Basket and Lightfoot that they could save a lot of time by researching the school archives on this subject matter and present their findings to the administration as to what the next step should be. This issue has been covered so many times snd in so many ways that there really is not a whole lot more that needs to said about it. There’s an elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about and until that conversation takes place in earnest way, we may as well put the time capsule back in the ground and dig it up 20 years from now. Otherwise, this exercise sounds like election year posturing.

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By: schoolsmuse http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47597 schoolsmuse Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:00:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47597 Sorry, here is the link to the online report: [link]

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By: schoolsmuse http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47596 schoolsmuse Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:59:54 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47596 The 1985 report, which makes for very interesting reading, if you can get over the feeling of “deja vu all over again,” can be found online at

It states in part (p.8, Equity and Excellence Rationale): “On a district wide basis, the academic performance of minorities lags far behind that of the majority population. Minorities are significantly overrepresented in lower curricular paths and significantly underrepresented in advanced courses of study. Disproportionately high numbers of minorities are the subject of disciplinary action. Clear racial and socioeconomic imbalance exists in the district’s schools… Measured by the critical index of progress toward educational opportunity, the Ann Arbor School District, in this regard, is in crisis. The Committee on Excellence recommends a set of broad ranging steps to address the entirety of the problem and to move the district toward the goals of equity and excellence. One part of the recommendations concerns educational programming and the instructional process. The Committee on Excellence firmly believes that the classroom itself is the key to achieving quality education for all students. The recommendations address the needs for immediate attention to clearly identifiable groups of underachieving pupils, reduction in pupil-teacher ratios, enhancing teacher expectations and the level of rigor in all curricula and the enlightened and non-arbitrary use of assessment tools. The other part of the Equity and Excellence recommendation involves racial balance.”

I think there are very likely similar documents from earlier times as well, I just haven’t had time to look for them.

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By: Glenn Nelson (School Board Member) http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47581 Glenn Nelson (School Board Member) Sat, 05 Jun 2010 03:58:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47581 Schoolsmuse is of course correct that the issues of racial-ethnic segregation and achievement were important well before 1989. Her/his examples are well-chosen.

My comment in the interview was focused on the narrow issue of “first public, well-disseminated report on academic achievement in the district” as correctly noted in the article. I based my inference on two things. First, the report dated July 28, 1989, includes the following in a cover memo. “Please find attached a report, _Key Indicators of Students Progress_, to be presented to the Board of Education on August 2, 1989. This report is our first attempt to profile the school district using a variety of key indicators of student performance.” Second, I have not located prior reports that published achievement measures by racial-ethnic group within AAPS.

I am very interested in gaining insights on strategies for closing the achievement gap through an examination of past practices and results — as well as by other means. Just because I am currently not aware of published achievement measures by racial-ethnic group prior to 1985/86 for AAPS does not mean they do not exist. If any reader has earlier data or knows of such data, I would appreciate a reference so I could include them in my thinking.

Thank you, Chronicle and Jennifer, for providing a place and context for Schoolsmuse, me, and hopefully others to exchange information and views on this very important issue. The issue goes to the heart of our ability as a society to sustain democracy and a decentralized economic system that both work for ALL citizens.

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By: schoolsmuse http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/06/04/schools-achievement-gap-or-equity-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-47567 schoolsmuse Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:50:15 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=44427#comment-47567 I have a few thoughts about this story:
1. I think that Glenn Nelson is mistaken in saying that the first focus on the achievement gap came in 1989. I believe that it came much earlier. I document some of this history in my blog post, A Little History [link] and some of the related posts (I did a series on the 1985 reorganization), but essentially, equity issues were acknowledged by some in the 1940s, and became more prominent in the 1960s. The difference is that, from the 1940s through the mid-1980s, the focus was largely on desegregation and getting additional African-American teachers/principals, on the theory that those two things would address the equity gap.
So the closing of Jones School (1965) and the multiple attempts to racially balance the schools (at least 1979 and 1985), as well as the appointments of the first African-American principals can all be seen as attempts to address the gap.
In addition, the Black English case of 1977, which was related to a small group of students at (Martin Luther) King elementary, highlighted many of the equity issues, and had shock waves nationally. [link]

I think we can draw the conclusion that these activities didn’t work to end the equity gap–although perhaps things would be much worse if they hadn’t been done.

2. I’m glad that Susan Baskett and Simone Lightfoot are taking the lead on this. Having said that, I don’t know who, or how, this meeting was set up. I do know that I hadn’t heard about it, so I think it was not an “open” meeting. That no doubt had an impact on its attendance. I’m not saying that it “had” to be an open meeting, or a widely-advertised meeting, but it seems that–particularly given the controversy about the lunch bunch–wide buy-in is important. At the budget meetings in the fall, participants were asked if they would like to be on sub-committees related to parts of the strategic plan. I know I volunteered to work on equity issues, but more important than whether I should be in the room, I think it is important to wrap this work into the district’s strategic planning.

3. I also think it’s really important to acknowledge how HARD it is to do this work. Yes, there are individual locales that have overcome these issues, but there are many more locales that haven’t. We can, and should, try a lot of different tactics, and they won’t all work.

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