Comments on: Column: Debate on Watches, Authenticity http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/10/14/column-debate-on-watches-authenticity/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-debate-on-watches-authenticity it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/10/14/column-debate-on-watches-authenticity/comment-page-1/#comment-55688 John Floyd Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:17:40 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=51684#comment-55688 An example of the world’s “hunger”for authenticity: The New Yorker, Oct 20, 2010

Column, “Tables for Two”, by Andrea Thompson

“Hecho en Dumbo

354 Bowery (212937-4245) – if this restaurant’s name is no longer quite accurate (it means “made in Dumbo”, a playful adaptation of “Hecho en Mexico”), it offers up both a sense of authenticity and an homage to its origins.”

If the New Yorker claims “a SENSE of authenticity” is among the reasons to eat at this restaurant – one of its main draws – imagine the impact of ACTUAL, full-up authenticity (?) as a marketing tool for our city, and our downtown in particular.

As to Dave’s point that much political speech is inauthentic, people in public life are sound-bitten into staying on-message. It was Mr. Lupo’s willingness to engage with me, rather than “punish” me, that made the “authentic” moment possible. Note Rick Snyder attracted bike protestors over his observations of the expensive of the bike/pedestrian bridge over US 23 near Geddes (which replaces the existing sidewalks on the now-auto bridge as the bike/pedestrian path over US 23). Lesson: if you say what you really think, you will be punished for it. The protestor’s over-wrought conclusion, that Snyder must not like bicycles because he questioned that particular project, is exactly why we have almost no authentic public discourse: when push comes to shove, people don’t actually want it.

In other forums, I have been chastised for sharing my perception that The Charm Zone is in grave danger from our City Parents, and for expressing how that shapes my view of Heritage Row. For that matter, AnnArbor.com sound-bit my support for Heritage Row’s planned investment in The Seven Houses into an apparent endorsement of AA.com’s goal of bulldozing the entire Charm Zone. In our current public life, “No authentic deed goes unpunished”. Wonder if that’s among the reasons that council seems to do so much in apparent secrecy (I appreciate that there may be others).

This is part of what makes The Chron so refreshing – its readers, authors, Editor, and Publisher seem to actually want authentic dialogue. Rare indeed.

John Floyd
Republican for Council
5th Ward

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By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/10/14/column-debate-on-watches-authenticity/comment-page-1/#comment-55656 John Floyd Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:57:49 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=51684#comment-55656 For a variety of reasons, this 4-minute address was one of the more satisfying pieces I have written in the last year or so. I’ld like to “chronicle” my favorite paragraph for those who were not there:

“You guys are the ones who transformed Main Street from dying old-line retail into the present out-door life-style mall that it is. This transformation has required an artistry every bit as skilled and creative as any studio artist. You work in different mediums than a studio artist – merchandizing, presentation, marketing, – and you need business skills instead of, say, refined drawing technique, but you must be every bit as much an observer of people and the world, every bit as insightful about what you see, and just as imaginative in your responses, as portrait painters or sculptures. ”

John Floyd
Republican for Council
5th Ward

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By: suswhit http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/10/14/column-debate-on-watches-authenticity/comment-page-1/#comment-55471 suswhit Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:52:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=51684#comment-55471 I’m with Rod on this one. Seemed like campaigning on behalf of a councilmember. Especially the “good faith” bit … and on an issue of such dubious integrity no less.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/10/14/column-debate-on-watches-authenticity/comment-page-1/#comment-55470 Rod Johnson Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:37:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=51684#comment-55470 Thanks! I hope you can understand where my confusion came from. Since it’s that good faith claim that some people find dubious, it seemed strange to put something in here that seems to support it even though no one actually said it. I appreciate what you were trying to do, but it may have just been *too* clever. I appreciate you working through it more slowly for us easily confused people.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/10/14/column-debate-on-watches-authenticity/comment-page-1/#comment-55440 Dave Askins Fri, 15 Oct 2010 02:01:58 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=51684#comment-55440 Re: [1] “… is that a clever way of quoting something he actually said in some other context?” No, this is not a direct quote of something Rapundalo has said in some other context.

Re: [1] “I can’t tell whether the (controversial) imputation of good faith is your opinion or just what you think Rapundalo wants us to think.” I did not mean to express an opinion about whether the process was begun and will be finished in good faith, nor did I mean to suggest that it’s merely what Rapundalo wants people to think.

I was offering that italicized text as a reasonable approximation of what Rapundalo would have said that morning at Conor O’Neils, if, for example, someone had solicited his input, or if the context had been an authentic conversation, not a candidate forum. That passage was meant to achieve a lot of rhetorical goals, which included at least the following: (i) to point out that Rapundalo attended (ii) to highlight that of all the people in the room, he really is the guy who could have shed the most light on the status of the Library Lot process (iii) to write something that I thought would ring as authentically Rapundalo to anyone who’s familiar with him and the facts of the Library Lot (iv) to write it in a way that’s consistent with authentic “recited” political talk so that it tied into one of the conceits of the piece (v) to introduce to readers the actual facts of the Library Lot situation. Based on your [Rod's] response as a reader, it’s worth mulling over whether I was asking that passage to do too much work.

I did weigh various alternatives to meeting those goals, including dropping the “creative writing” challenge inherent in the passage. For example, a different approach would have been to simply quote a recent Chronicle meeting report where Rapundalo’s update on the RFP review committee’s activity was given. In the end, what I settled on is what you see published.

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2010/10/14/column-debate-on-watches-authenticity/comment-page-1/#comment-55436 Rod Johnson Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:38:08 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=51684#comment-55436 The text that you don’t quite attribute to Rapundalo… is that a clever way of quoting something he actually said in some other context, or something you’re actually suggesting he might have said? If it’s the latter, then it doesn’t seem wholly appropriate here (even though, yes, I know it’s a column), because I can’t tell whether the (controversial) imputation of good faith is your opinion or just what you think Rapundalo wants us to think. I know that’s convoluted, but… it’s a confusing little bit of rhetoric you got going there.

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