Comments on: AATA Speaks Volumes on Draft Transit Plan http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: David Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65476 David Cahill Sun, 01 May 2011 17:43:52 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65476 On page 14 of the May Ann Arbor Observer, in the article called Bus City USA, there is the following statement: “The AATA is spending $300,000 on PR during its ‘master transit plan’ public campaign….”

So, Mr. Benham, is the cost of this next series of meetings part of the PR budget for the campaign?

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65475 Vivienne Armentrout Sun, 01 May 2011 16:59:04 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65475 There are two separate problems here:

1. How do you inform a broad spectrum of the public; how do you educate them as to the issues, alternatives, costs and likely outcomes?

2. How do you determine the will of the public at large? What is a true representation of the preferences of the entire affected population?

These demand somewhat different approaches, though each is somewhat dependent on the other, especially since people need to understand the issue before having an opinion.

Our public institutions have been doing pretty well with the first problem but have had a slapdash approach recently to the second problem. In particular, I hate those surveymonkey devices when used to determine public policy. (They are fine for bloggers who want to discover the favorite flavor of jelly donuts.) Aside from the questions of electronic manipulation, the questions are often not well-constructed or are misleading or do not adequately identify alternatives, and as has been said, the survey takers are self-selected. The same problem of self-selection occurs in public meetings (as identified by #10).

It is ironic, in a town that houses the Institute for Social Research and also that must surely count the largest number of trained planners of any Michigan community, that we have had such poor survey design. This is a well-understood science. Some years ago, I participated in the Detroit Area Study, conducted by Robert Marans of the UM (who also has served on public bodies). I was chosen on a random basis to receive the survey booklet. The makers of the survey had done their demographic homework and sent these booklets to people in many different Detroit-area communities to ask preferences about many quality-of-life issues, including transportation and housing density. The booklet had diagrams that clearly outlined the different alternatives in each question group. They then subjected the answers to statistical analysis.

This type of careful scientifically accurate survey may be beyond the scope of such groups as the AATA, but it should serve as a model. In particular, if survey results are being used to justify such an enormously expensive and consequential decision as this transit plan, they deserve to be subjected to methodological scrutiny.

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By: David Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65471 David Cahill Sun, 01 May 2011 16:05:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65471 What Tom said.

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By: Tom Whitaker http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65470 Tom Whitaker Sun, 01 May 2011 15:20:56 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65470 I think the more important question is, “What kind of chickens are attracted to an advertised public meeting on a specific topic?” My experience is the majority of attendees fall into three categories: 1. People who have a very specific, direct interest in the topic and are already proponents going in, 2. People who have a very specific, direct interest in the topic and are already OPPONENTS going in, or 3. People who generally take an interest in local politics and are there to learn more (but also likely already have an opinion at least partially formed).

By the same token, putting up an anonymous online survey will only attract an internet-savvy subset of these same groups of people, plus maybe some people who don’t even live in Michigan anymore, let alone use the service in question or pay local taxes. Many of these surveys can be easily manipulated to accept multiple votes from the same party or are further disseminated by advocate groups to their supporters. (In fact, I would be interested in seeing a list of IP addresses for several recent government surveys to see if they might include multiple entries from the same location–external or even internal.)

So does it make sense to hold dozens of public meetings that will likely only draw different individuals from the same basic groups described above, or would it make more sense to get on the agendas of multiple community groups that meet regularly and try to get a better feel for what the general population really thinks? In Portland, I understand they actually have formalized a city-wide network of neighborhood groups that meet on a regular basis with various city officials–not just when there is a hot topic, but routinely. Even without such a network, why not reach out to schools, retirement homes, civic groups, neighborhood associations, business associations, houses of worship, etc., and get on their regular meeting agendas? Why not include a post card survey in our tax bills or water bills?

I empathize fully with staff who probably feel “damned if they do and damned if they don’t” in regard to getting public input, but I think they need to be a little more creative, assertive, and scientific about their efforts. If not, then they shouldn’t make statements in front of councils and boards purporting widespread public support for something that has only been seen and discussed with a very small, and very interested fraction of the total population.

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By: Murph http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65377 Murph Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:55:16 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65377 Re – genuine engagement vs hypnotizing chickens:

I went to one of the public mtgs in the last go-round (when the various scenarios were presented), and my observation was that attendees were given a lot of attention and room to participate. It was certainly not a sale job by staff of a certain scenario – most there seemed to not just enthusiastically prefer the “smart growth scenario”, but to provide criticism along the lines of wanting even *more* than that scenario provided.

It’s true that there’s a difference between public engagement and public lecture, and I’ve thought Michael and the rest of the team did a good job in facilitating actual engagement in the meetings I attended.

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By: Michael Benham http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65333 Michael Benham Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:21:31 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65333 Response to David Cahill: Mr. Cahill, I share your aversion to “hypnotizing the chickens” (although I would like to try that chalk thing!). At all of our past meetings, we have emphasized having a dialogue. Yes, we have a powerpoint presentation, but questions and comments are welcome throughout the event. We have had some very high quality discussions at these events, and I can say without reservation that the plans have been influenced as a result. We also use tools like surveys and interactive games to coax feedback from people who may be reluctant to speak up in a public forum.

I would welcome your attendance at one of our meetings and I think you will see for yourself – we really do listen!

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By: jcp2 http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65284 jcp2 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:01:30 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65284 I misread Draft for Daft.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65255 Dave Askins Wed, 27 Apr 2011 00:31:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65255 RE: “staff making endless Power Point presentations, … This is called ‘hypnotizing the chickens.’”

It’s not necessary to use all that technology. The old school way is to use a ordinary chalk: [link]

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By: David Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65250 David Cahill Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:04:58 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65250 I hope the public sessions focus on actually finding out what the public wants with regard to county-wide transportation. All too often, public sessions with other units of government deteriorate into the staff making endless Power Point presentations, and not much public involvement.

This is called “hypnotizing the chickens.”

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/26/aata-speaks-volumes-on-draft-transit-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65232 Dave Askins Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:03:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62150#comment-65232 Re: “Hope you didn’t think my comment was off topic.”

No, sorry if it came across that way. My aim was simply to provide one tool the AATA uses for tallying and responding to compliments and complaints. The table for driver complaints (missed passengers and the like) is included in the following pages of performance data extracted from the board packet: [link]. For example for the first three months of 2011, the AATA determined that there were 11 valid complaints of a passenger being missed, 12 valid complaints of careless/unsafe driving and 5 valid complaints of rudeness.

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