Comments on: Column: Ann Arbor Parking – Share THIS! http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-ann-arbor-parking-%25e2%2580%2593-share-this it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: fridgeman http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65521 fridgeman Tue, 03 May 2011 01:09:28 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65521 In my experience, Ann Arbor parking is dirt cheap compared to most other cities.

However, fortunately for the health of downtown, it is unique compared to other areas of the city and the outlying areas. Because of this uniqueness, I rarely (if ever) find myself making a decision about going downtown vs. somewhere else based on parking.

Some examples:
* The bars and restaurants downtown don’t exist elsewhere.
* If I need to buy groceries, clothes, or hardware, there is no downtown option.
* If I want to attend a concert or a play, downtown/campus is the only option.

This differentation between downtown and the other areas is important to maintaining its vibrancy. I have consistently objected to the AA District Library expanding to the new branch libraries, because it violates this differentiation. I expect that eventually, a combination of the branches and other modern media delivery formats will doom the downtown AADL.

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By: Paul Drake http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65468 Paul Drake Sun, 01 May 2011 12:17:40 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65468 Great articles on this subject, Dave. We appear to be on a trajectory back to collapsing structures, likely to be followed by even more exploding water mains. It would be great to see the council have more sense, but instead they are acting to confirm skeptical views of politicians. Like many others, part of my thinking about whether to go downtown at any given time includes awareness of parking costs.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65386 Vivienne Armentrout Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:30:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65386 In my opinion, the 3% giveback idea was political grandstanding in any event. Councilmembers do not make a large stipend (though the Mayor’s salary is more substantial) and the amount is much smaller than most full-time city employees, especially considering that there are no benefits associated with the position. Certainly, such payments would have no more than a symbolic effect. If a councilmember wants to make a donation to the city, that is fine, but there was a somewhat coercive effect to that whole scheme that I found distasteful.

With regard to CM Briere, I believe that she had already committed to giving the 3% salary raise to charity before the giveback idea came up. I don’t have documentation, however. Mike Anglin was donating his 3% to the Michigan Theater for a time. Again, this is based solely on my recollection.

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By: Dave Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65384 Dave Cahill Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:32:53 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65384 Several months ago I noticed rusted risers on the stairs at one of the structures – I think it was my favorite, the cute structure at Fourth & Washington.

I gather that rusted risers are deliberate. This is definitely Not A Good Sign.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65383 Alan Goldsmith Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:29:22 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65383 “According to city staff, it had been the expectation of some councilmembers that they would be invoiced with an incremental payment plan. And apparently when they didn’t receive an invoice from the city, they didn’t have the discipline to make the payments on their own.”

It’s called weaseling out of a public promise. I’m not surprised–it’s pretty much par for the course with several members of council.

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By: Andy http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65382 Andy Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:15:08 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65382 Awesome post, Dave. I’ve read several accounts of this battle at AnnArbor.com as well as at the Chronicle, but it always seemed to me like just a turf war that I didn’t have any particular stake in. This is the first account I’ve read that really helped me understand why it should matter to me as a citizen.

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By: Joan Lowenstein http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65381 Joan Lowenstein Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:32:36 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65381 Speaking of maintenance, Tom Crawford’s projection of a $700,000/year benefit to the city if the DDA is dissolved likely assumes no money for maintenance of the parking system.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65375 Dave Askins Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:34:59 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65375 Re: [2] “How much maintenance [is being deferred], and on what structures?”

Not sure which structures. In their discussions of this issue, which we’ve reported, DDA board members have described the maintenance to be deferred as non-essential maintenance: painting and the like. Maintenance to be deferred is not supposed to include items like the deck washdowns, which are essential to remove the brine from winter, which can lead to accelerated deterioration of the concrete. The maintenance to be deferred has been vetted with Carl Walker, Inc., the DDA’s parking structure engineering consultant, who devised the current maintenance schedule.

But to my mind, maintenance is another issue of “discipline.” In a different draft of this column, maintenance was the highlighted theme, and it was to feature lead art of my broken bicycle front fork. I’d noticed noodling and grabbing for several months and had attributed it to worn brake pads, which I replaced myself. I talked myself into believing that I’d achieved some improvement, even though the problem persisted. Then, as I was braking to a slow stop, I lost about two feet of altitude, as the aluminum fork simply broke. I was lucky I was not bombing down Liberty and trying to make an aggressive stop. If you’ve ever pre-scored an aluminum beer/soda can and torn off the whole top, you’re familiar with the phenomenon of the crack getting to a certain length, then the aluminum basically just “tears.” So was that a case where a failure to perform basic maintenance lead to catastrophe? Maybe not — but if I’d taken the bike into a shop and described the problem, a test ride by a professional mechanic who looks at “bike metal” every day, would have had a decent shot at spotting the crack that led to failure.

To me, that seemed to illustrate more the idea of “trust a pro” as opposed to “be disciplined in your maintenance.” So it was shareholders and stakeholders that received prominence in the column.

I think it’s a pretty easy slide from “we’re deferring transfers to the maintenance fund, but not deferring any maintenance” to “we’re only deferring non-essential maintenance” to “we’re deferring essential maintenance, but only for a little while” to “we’re not doing any maintenance.” We’ve already gone from the first to the second.

[It took me till now to parse Cahill's "grossed" out joke. I assume other readers did that mental computation faster.]

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By: Dave Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65372 Dave Cahill Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:00:20 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65372 I am “grossed” out by the statement that maintenance is being deferred on the parking structures. How much maintenance, and on what structures?

Are we going to see these structures start to deteriorate – again?

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By: Fred Posner http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/column-ann-arbor-parking-%e2%80%93-share-this/comment-page-1/#comment-65371 Fred Posner Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:59:59 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=62439#comment-65371 Just spent a very quick 2 days in Ann Arbor where I was going to spend some time downtown and work from either the workex or a coffee shop. The parking pushed me away. I had an early breakfast downtown and parked curb side– spend $1.20 to park legally for one hour. Parking garages are only $0.30/hour less. So to park for an 8 hr day downtown you’re looking at $7.20 in the garage or more on the surface. After my hour, I went outside downtown, parked for free, and those businesses were patronized.

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