Comments on: Column: Grover and Me http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=column-grover-and-me it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: sally m http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-69491 sally m Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:15:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-69491 I suppose everyone has moved on from this, but I went back and looked up what small businesses were paying in taxes before Snyder’s changes. I see that beginning in 2008 (under Granholm), businesses making less than 350,000 in gross receipts a year don’t have to file a Michigan tax return or pay tax at all. So that should knock the last leg out of any argument that Snyder is trying to help your struggling Mom and Pop shops. They already had their tax relief.

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By: Roger Kerson http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-69082 Roger Kerson Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:00:18 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-69082 @Marvin, I don’t mind paying higher taxes either, but I think we disagree about how the money should be used. The evidence that lower taxes on businesses stimulates job creation is pretty weak. Things like access to markets, reliable infrastructure, access to a trained workforce tend to make more difference in business location decisions than the absolute tax rate — and for the last two, you need a healthy tax base to make them happen.

@Sally: I don’t know what Rick Snyder believes. But if he’s as data-driven as he claims, he’d be a lot more skeptical of the trickle-down theory which certainly appears, as you say, to drive his big picture theory.

@Just Ken: We agree: I don’t blame Grover or his staff for declining to take my calls. I do think, however, they are thoroughly culpable for holding the entire global economy hostage to enforce a rigid view of economic policy that benefits the few at the expense of the many.

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By: sally m http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-69037 sally m Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:31:10 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-69037 Rats! And here I was, thinking I was so irresistible to Mr. Norquist…

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By: Just Ken http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-68977 Just Ken Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:45:04 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-68977 @Marvins Face
You can send in extra cash to the treasury if you like. Please do in fact.

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By: Just Ken http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-68976 Just Ken Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:43:23 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-68976 An why would busy man like Norquist waste two seconds on a nickel & dime professional lefty like you? Smart move on his part I’d say.

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By: sally m http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-68956 sally m Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:18:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-68956 @2. Is Snyder trying to do anything different from other modern-day Republicans? He believes (and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and credit him with actually believing it) that if we only allow the wealthy to become wealthy enough, they will begin to give some of it back in the form of jobs. This is his big picture, right? Or am I missing something?

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By: Rick Cronn http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-68955 Rick Cronn Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:15:28 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-68955 I don’t mind paying higher state taxes as long as the money stays in Michigan and doesn’t get sent out of state or overseas in the form of jobs, increased profits or corporate jets and vacation homes by the companies and their CEO’s that get the tax breaks.

I doubt that Snyder cares about that as long as they get the tax breaks. FYI, The Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%, or as Norquist and other refer to them, the “job creators” generated the fewest jobs under any president in recent history including Clinton under whom taxes were higher.

So much for tax breaks for the wealthiest in this nation creating jobs.

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By: Mary Morgan http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-68912 Mary Morgan Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:22:54 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-68912 The Citizens Research Council of Michigan provides a detailed briefing memo on the state’s FY2012 budget: [link to .pdf file]

One of their conclusions: “Although difficult to quantify, reduced business taxation on its own is likely to yield positive economic growth; however, this will be offset, at least in part, by the negative economic growth that accompany higher income taxes through reductions in disposable income. Any net effect, positive or negative, is likely to be small.”

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By: Marvin Face http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-68904 Marvin Face Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:42:18 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-68904 I, for one, am happy to pay more in taxes. Our tax burden, as a percentage of our income, has declined substantially over the years yet we demand the same services. We complain about police being cut as we buy another big-screen. I also don’t mind the business taxes being cut. You have to dig into the details to get a full understanding of what Governor Snyder is trying to do in the big picture.

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By: sally m http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/07/16/column-grover-and-me/comment-page-1/#comment-68899 sally m Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:04:20 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=67799#comment-68899 Thanks for the numbers, Roger. It confirms what I suspected, but I didn’t have the data. Here’s an article I’d like to see: I’d like to know how much a hypothetical small business–a small store on Main St., for instance–pays in taxes (all kinds). They’re always complaining that they’re in an unfair tax environment, paying more than both individuals and large corporations. What do they mean? What are all the ways that they are taxed that are so onerous?

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