Comments on: Initial OK: Less Art Money, Bigger Greenbelt http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: John Q. http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80834 John Q. Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:56:19 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80834 What makes that “historic” or “landmark”?

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By: Rod Johnson http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80818 Rod Johnson Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:22:49 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80818 He or she didn’t say Lumm was the first Republican ever, just that she broke the Dem monopoly on council. Whether that’s historic is, of course, debatable.

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By: John Q. http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80812 John Q. Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:57:48 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80812 “Congratulations to Jane Lumm on her historical swearing-in.”

That would be news to the many Republicans, including Lumm herself, who have served on Council. Ever hear of Ingrid Sheldon?

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By: fridgeman http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80761 fridgeman Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:25:48 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80761 I hope that Council members are taking note of the level of interest in the unwanted newspaper discussion.

I submit that unwanted phone books should be subject to the same restrictions. I welcome the phone book published by the phone company to which I subscribe. The others are useless and wasteful.

Like the A2 Journal, these phonebooks are delivered to driveways and porches without homeowner permission, and are not delivered by USPS.

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By: Kerry D. http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80730 Kerry D. Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:00:37 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80730 This particular City Council session will be a landmark in that Jane Lumm broke the monopoly of the Democratic Party in the Council.

Congratulations to Jane Lumm on her historical swearing-in.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80711 Vivienne Armentrout Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:47:28 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80711 In reading the link provided in (5), it appears that the postal monopoly mostly obtains to letters, or what we call first-class mail. There is a long list of exceptions, including newspapers and periodicals. Even privately delivered letters are permitted if they cost at least 6 times what a USPS-delivered letter does.

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By: Leslie Morris http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80690 Leslie Morris Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:50:32 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80690 I agree with Vivienne that the law requires each address to have a mail box for the exclusive use of the US Post Office, but that political and other hand delivered flyers may be legally left on porches. Perhaps some confusion comes from some mail boxes being located on porches or affixed to the house. I have seen some porches where the dedicated mail box is just a basket left on the porch. In our condominium, each household is provided with a dedicated mail box, and also with two additional cylinders meant for newspapers or flyers. Non-mailed newspapers and other hand-delivered flyers are placed in these cylinders.

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By: cosmonıcan http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80689 cosmonıcan Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:38:29 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80689 Regarding the Postal Monopoly: [link]

The link above is an introduction to the Private Express Statutes. If the USPS wanted to, they could put UPS, FedEx and the others out of business overnight, they can control all third party deliveries if need be. Your mailbox is convenient, but not the end-all point of delivery. Political ads and non-profits have some exemptions as you note, have to wonder how Dominoes gets away with it though.

I recall an incident years back where some company thought it made them look swanky to send all of their mail, postcards, and everything, via FedEx overnight. The USPS wasn’t impressed, and sued their pants off.

That’s why the Observer had to back off, and that’s why this littering could get to be a federal case, if we collectively want to put the screws on.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80673 Vivienne Armentrout Sat, 26 Nov 2011 20:54:56 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80673 FWIW, I got a nice little note from my annarbor.com carrier, who was delivering only the free advertising food and fun package – I contacted her and have never had another delivery. In the past, I called the Ann Arbor News circulation manager and also succeeded in having delivery stopped.

The real problem in our area is A2Journal. It is only a slight nuisance for me to pick up off my driveway, but it is delivered to the rental dwellings down Fountain where pile upon pile of the plastic-covered papers are slowly ground down into an indigestible mass on driveways.

I’m surprised to hear that the front door is off-limits since political campaigns routinely deliver literature to doors. It was my impression that it is illegal to place material into mailboxes, but elsewhere is legal.

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By: cosmonıcan http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/11/25/initial-ok-less-art-money-bigger-greenbelt/comment-page-1/#comment-80583 cosmonıcan Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:27:55 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=76530#comment-80583 In regards to #2 and the issues surrounding litter related to so-called “newspapers.” First, you can stop delivery right now by writing: Matt Kraner, President & CEO, annarbor[.]com, 301 E. Liberty St, Suite 700, Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104. Send regular, and email too, so they can’t claim ignorance. Email: mattkraner@annarbor.com

Tell him you don’t want his litter, and if it does not stop in a reasonable amount of time (2 weeks?) you will have to file a criminal littering complaint — [link] — click “trash on lawn” in step 2, and fill out the rest. This worked for me, but they might get mad and be stubborn about it. Don’t forget to contact their advertisers to complain too, make noise, it’s all good.

Don’t bother to telephone, they are experts at BS’ing and tap dancing around this — remember, they have to be able to prove certain numbers of eyeballs look at their crap, so carbon copy your letter, so they can see it, to:

The Hon John Hieftje, Mayor; City of Ann Arbor; 100 N Fifth Ave; Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104 — jhieftje@a2gov.org

Mr Barnett Jones, Police Chief; City of Ann Arbor; 301 E Huron; Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104 — police@a2gov.org

Community Standards Supervisor; Ann Arbor Police Department; 301 E Huron; Ann Arbor, Michigan 48104 — communitystandards@a2gov.org

Mr Michael J Lavery, President and Managing Director; The Audit Bureau of Circulations; 48 W Seegers Rd; Arlington Heights, Illinois 60005-3913 — michael.lavery@accessabc.com

(Along with a note that they are skirting postal laws:) Mr Patrick R Donahoe; Postmaster General of the United States; 475 L’Enfant Plaza SW; Washington, DC 20260-3100 — (don’t email, you want to insult the man?)

Possibly worth trying, though I think they charge a small fee for opting out, and only members will care: The Direct Mail Marketing Association — http://www.dmachoice.org

Maybe someone could remind us of the problems visited on the Ann Arbor Observer some years back that had to do with the same matter of delivering ephemera. I was living out of town most of the 80s and 90s and only have bit of recall about what happened, that is whatever I might have heard in passing while visiting.

The Observer once was freely delivered to everyone, and placed on doorsteps by independent carriers. Someone (Ann Arbor News?) cried foul to try to get them to stop, or force their delivery fees up to an unaffordable level.

Because the USPS has a government mandated monopoly on delivering 1st & 3rd class mail, with exemptions for “newspapers,” defined as based on readership and frequency of publishing, the front stoop was ruled out, and they had to go to the current mode where you declare that you want it, and it is sent in the mail. That’s about all I remember, fortunately for all of us they were able to continue publishing. Again, if someone could correct or expand on that (if Mary and Dave are willing,) please do.

Because of the USPS, the front door is off limits; because it’s public property, the hell strip and sidewalk are off limits; but there is a portion of your property, especially the driveway, that are fair game for cops who want to sneak around to GPS bug your car, and where “newspaper” publishers can toss their audience inflating trash.

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