Comments on: No Raises for Ann Arbor Mayor, Council http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83535 Vivienne Armentrout Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:18:24 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83535 Re (9) An interesting philosophical (and practical) question is when to switch from a part-time semi-volunteerish representative to a full-time salaried one. Our local culture has been to emphasize citizen-representatives rather than professional politicians. At higher levels of office, this is not a question. No one asks Senator Levin what his day job is. But do we really want city councilmembers and county commissioners who see that office as their primary job?

The last time we had a county compensation commission and debate about what county commissioners would get, Dillard Craiger stated, “If you put out peanuts, you’ll get monkeys.” In other words, if you make the compensation too high, you will motivate people to run for office because of the salary.

Even at $15,000 it becomes quite a pull. That amount can make a real difference in a household budget and it can be hard to relinquish. This also serves to prevent a turnover since incumbents are highly motivated to maintain that income flow.

I supported the council’s raise from $10,000 to $15,000 because it is a serious commitment of time and also an opportunity loss. (Council service may interfere with many other professional and personal priorities.) But on balance, I think it dangerous to increase it much more.

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By: John Floyd http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83388 John Floyd Mon, 19 Dec 2011 05:21:27 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83388 Even with a city manager-led government, it seems to me that to do the job of a council-member well requires more-or-less full-time hours. This is the wrong time to discuss increases, but I can see a case for raising (or at least discussing) council salaries if/when the city’s fiscal picture improves.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83365 Dave Askins Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:49:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83365 Re [7] The value of Postema’s compensation when all benefits are added in may well stand around $177,000, but the base salary paid to Postema as of FY 2010 was $141,540. I point this out only because data that may be most readily available when doing statewide salary comparisons might well be expressed in terms of base salary. And it’s worth making sure the comparison is truly apples-to-apples. The Chronicle’s meeting report from Oct. 24, 2011 includes a history of the outcomes of Postema’s regular performance reviews, the most recent of which was approved that night.

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By: Mark Koroi http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83364 Mark Koroi Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:39:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83364 @Alan Goldsmith:

Steve Postema appears to be the highest-paid salaried City Attorney in the State of Michigan. He earns near double what many other persons holding city attorney positions in other Metro Detroit communities. $100,000 per year is near the average and Postema pulls in over $177,000 per annum.

Postema is running for circuit court in 2012. There are two open seats on the ballot and many local residents are backing Carol Kuhnke or Jim Fink, who are likewise planning to file for those seats.

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By: William Lockwood http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83347 William Lockwood Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:40:18 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83347 Thank you Dave for attending the meeting. The readers of the Chronicle are among the best informed people in the city about how our local government works because of you. You are the first person to attend the meeting of the LOOC in the six years I have been a member.

I hope your article will bring others to the table who are willing to serve, not only on the LOOC but also on the other committees and groups associated with Ann Arbor city government.

Perhaps it will spur those responsible to update the city web site with the vacancies for all the committees and commissions.

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By: 10:18 http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83332 10:18 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:22:00 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83332 It would be interesting to learn whether any have made contributions this year.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83323 Alan Goldsmith Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:06:47 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83323 “In January 2011, responding to a question from The Chronicle about his view of the status of the DDA and the board of canvassers as a part of the local government in the context of the LOCC eligibility requirement, city attorney Stephen Postema wrote in an email: ”… I would have to research the issue more closely to give a definitive answer.””

The city attorney must be way too busy to research violations of the law and conflicts of interest?

Cue the violin music for the poor poor Mayor and Council members who have to struggle in their part time positions without a major pay raise, while from the legal advice we’re getting from our City Attorney, it looks like someone is vastly overpaid.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83302 Dave Askins Sun, 18 Dec 2011 05:09:01 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83302 Re: [2] “… pay differential that exploded in 2004-05 between the mayor and council members is baffling …”

It’s not clear to me if you mean the significant increase that councilmembers as well as the mayor received as a result of the 2003 LOCC session (implemented in 2004 and 2005), or if you’re identifying the somewhat larger percentage increase received by the mayor as compared to the increase received by councilmembers. But in either case, a good deal of that 2003 history is laid out in the previous article:
Ann Arbor Council Service: What’s it Worth?

As for other council-manager cities, my recollection was that Ann Arbor’s mayoral salary was slightly less than in Grand Rapids (population ~188,000), but I was wrong. According to this 2009 Grand Rapids Press article, the GR mayor’s salary was set in that year by the LOCC at $39,141.

Re: [2] “And is there a quorum requirement?”

At the meeting, it was discussed that a quorum for the LOCC is four. That means that they needed all four current members to attend, in order to convene the meeting at all. A cursory search of the state statute and the city’s website for commission bylaws didn’t turn up voting rules, but I would guess that all votes need a majority of the seven members, (that is, four votes) in order to be considered passed. So every vote would need to be unanimous, when you have three vacancies.

For anyone who’d like to volunteer to serve in 2013 here’s a link to the application form: [link] (C’mon, it’s two years away, go ahead and sign up for the LOCC, there’s no work to do for at least a year … you’re not even ALLOWED to meet in 2012 …)

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By: liberalnimby http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83300 liberalnimby Sun, 18 Dec 2011 04:33:07 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83300 Thank you for this excellent report.

1) It would be interesting to know if we do in fact have the highest paid non-CEO mayor of any city in Michigan (or the Midwest). The performance of our mayor notwithstanding, the pay differential that exploded in 2004-05 between the mayor and council members is baffling and—for the lack of any contradictory information in that shoddy meeting packet—I’ll venture to say unheard of.

2) I find it hard to believe that there isn’t some reason that no one made an effort for the LOCC to get fully appointed. And is there a quorum requirement?

3) And as for the contention that neither the mayor nor any of the council members are taking on these jobs “for the money,” well, that’s a sentiment befitting a mayoral appointee!

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By: Lucy Ann Lance http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/12/17/no-raises-for-ann-arbor-mayor-council/comment-page-1/#comment-83292 Lucy Ann Lance Sun, 18 Dec 2011 00:46:24 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=77750#comment-83292 No one had to remind the Chronicle of its promise! Excellent information. Thank you, Dave and Mary, for adding the LOCC to your reporting arsenal.

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