Comments on: Art Commission Contends with Limbo Status http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Roger Kuhlman http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/comment-page-1/#comment-182484 Roger Kuhlman Fri, 04 Jan 2013 21:47:43 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=103499#comment-182484 Public Art is clearly a luxury item and not an essential city service. Ann Arbor has no business forcing all taxpayers in the city to pay for it whether they want it or not. That is known as coercion making everybody pay for things that are in the interests of select elites and it is wrong. Why do we need ‘Public Art’ in Ann Arbor? I have not seen a good answer. Yes these projects stoke the egos, status, and self-esteem of local political leaders and government employees but do nothing for most Ann Arbor residents

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By: Jack Eaton http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/comment-page-1/#comment-180513 Jack Eaton Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:23:33 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=103499#comment-180513 Re (6) Mark said “…Jack Eaton’s repeated call that the City Charter provision that City Attorney opinions be filed for public inspection with the City Clerk be observed.”

Actually, it is the Chronicle that has championed openness and disclosure. I would point you to Dave’s 1/31/10 Column: “Getting Smarter About City Charter” [link]

While I agree with the idea that the City Attorney’s written advice should be available to the public, I think it is the Chronicle who deserves credit for raising the issue.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/comment-page-1/#comment-180481 Alan Goldsmith Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:30:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=103499#comment-180481 “Despite the City Attorney’s position that no Open Meetings Act violations occurred, the City of Ann Arbor quickly settled the lawsuit spearheaded by Noah Hall and local store owners without a court battle. If Steve Postema was so certain of his position, he should have explained it in a detailed manner.”

Postema’s work as City Attorney should be remembered when he runs for higher office–something that’s virtually guaranteed after his kiss kiss profile ‘local boy makes good’ piece in the January Ann Arbor Observer.

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By: Mark Koroi http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/comment-page-1/#comment-180008 Mark Koroi Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:41:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=103499#comment-180008 @Vivienne Armentrout:

Thank you for the link to the analysis of the legality of the One Per Cent For Art ordinance.

“…….our continual assurance that our city attorney has declared the program legal without any explanation of how this conclusion is justified.”

I agree. Also recall the Open Meetings Act controversy which was dubbed “E-mailgate”. The City Attorney had cheerfully taken the position that no laws were violated and many were asking whether the City Council ever received any legal guidance about using computer communications during City Council sessions without a Jumbotron or other manner of contemporaneously disclosing to the public these e-mail correspondences between council members. This cntroversy likely caused Leigh Greden to lose his council seat. Despite the City Attorney’s position that no Open Meetings Act violations occurred, the City of Ann Arbor quickly settled the lawsuit spearheaded by Noah Hall and local store owners without a court battle. If Steve Postema was so certain of his position, he should have explained it in a detailed manner.

This also brings me to Jack Eaton’s repeated call that the City Charter provision that City Attorney opinions be filed for public inspection with the City Clerk be observed. The lack of public transparency serves to erode public confidence in local government.

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By: Timothy Durham http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/comment-page-1/#comment-179517 Timothy Durham Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:38:36 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=103499#comment-179517 What if the AAPAC were to set up their own Kickstarter site:

http://www.kickstarter.com/

..and inform the public about THAT?

There, they could list the pending projects and the qualified, relevant proposals and those who wanted to participate/vote on/contribute to, could do so.

The last ballot proposal drew (I believe it was) 44% support for the “Percent for Art” program (if you can read those results that way) so that means there are plenty of people in Ann Arbor willing to support public art. This would eliminate MOST of the current controversy.

People would still complain about what was chosen, naturally, but it would certainly be more popular than having some mayor-appointed cabal of lofty brahmins (although I’m sure they are all nice people! More a complaint about the way they are appointed) seizing tax money meant for water and sewer projects, foisting expensive debacles on the public- in places most of the public hope they never have to visit.

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/comment-page-1/#comment-178573 Alan Goldsmith Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:35:55 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=103499#comment-178573 And, drum roll please: “Quinn Evans Architects are working on a sign explaining the water sculpture by Herbert Dreiseitl, located in front of city hall.”

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/comment-page-1/#comment-178570 Alan Goldsmith Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:33:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=103499#comment-178570 ” So now she’s pursuing the possibility of shifting the funding for the sculpture into the Percent for Art program – so that the funds now allocated for the art from the Justice Center budget can be used to move the security checkpoint.”

So the fiasco continues. Art gets approved, we (Council–what was the actual vote again?) approve it behind a security checkpoint in a private area few people will see, with the assumption we can move the checkpoint, have no funds to move the checkpoint, so now we want to shift the project that we THOUGHT was a Per Cent Project but wasn’t into a true Per Cent Project so we can spend art funds to move the checkpoint so the public won’t have to go through a metal detector to view the art. And the AAPAC is confused. Film at 11:00. Lol.

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By: Edward Vielmetti http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/comment-page-1/#comment-178272 Edward Vielmetti Mon, 31 Dec 2012 04:49:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=103499#comment-178272 >> She said she’s been told by the city administrator that the only posting requirement is that a notice is posted in the city hall lobby – “I walked right past without seeing it,” she said.

It continues to be a source of amazement to me that the city persists in thinking that tacking up a notice in the city hall lobby is sufficient to notify the public of a public meeting.

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By: Vivienne Armentrout http://annarborchronicle.com/2012/12/30/art-commission-contends-with-limbo-status/comment-page-1/#comment-178224 Vivienne Armentrout Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:15:13 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=103499#comment-178224 Thanks as always for excellent detailed reporting on this meeting and the issues under consideration.

I’d also like to repeat that I respect and admire the effort the citizens serving on this body have addressed to their responsibility. I’m sorry that the issue is so muddled.

Apparently there is a lot of interest in this question. I noticed in the last few days that one of my old blog posts [link], which discusses legality of the Percent for Art program, has been getting a lot of hits.

While I’m giving thanks, I’d like to include CM Briere and CM Kunselman for their work on this. I like the idea of the Justice Center being more open to public view, and asking the State Attorney General for an opinion is much more definitive than our continual assurance that our city attorney has declared the program legal without any explanation of how this conclusion is justified.

We have a number of policy muddles in Ann Arbor right now, but I’m so grateful for the civil behavior and thoughtful approach that we enjoy on the part of elected and appointed officials who are making an honest effort to work things out. This sounds smarmy, but I am sincere. We have a good community.

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