Comments on: Public Speaks Out On Apartment Projects http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Timothy Durham http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-194661 Timothy Durham Fri, 08 Feb 2013 06:26:06 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-194661 Thanks. Those examples are both local developers, I see. Well, Oakland County in the case of the Landmark. That fits into my theory that, being local, they have to live with (public opinion of) what’s built so they will be much more likely to build something more in tune with the surroundings. Not always, of course. And I’m not saying I love the Landmark. Far from it. But, as you say, it coulda been much worse.

I have come to believe that out of town developers will only build to the absolute limits. They don’t live here so they just see Ann Arbor as a profit generator. Why would they do less than maximize profit? They can’t. Shareholders/investors would object to doing less than the absolute maximum. Not locals, though.

The North Main Greek Orthodox Church development is a great example which I think could/should be pretty nice (if built), in relative tune with its surroundings AND which will increase downtown density significantly at only three floors!! Hmm… greater downtown density in only THREE FLOORS? Nice! But a raider from Greenwich, CT could never show such restraint. He/she has a fiduciary responsibility to max it out.

That is not a scientific observation, though, just an impression since I started paying attention to it.

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By: Sabra Briere http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-194613 Sabra Briere Fri, 08 Feb 2013 03:06:34 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-194613 Re #22. Oddly enough, there are. I’m not addressing the quality of any of these developments, just reporting.
The Landmark on Forest and S. U could have legally been built at 20+ stories; they originally wanted 24 stories, and at the time, there was no height limit. The final building is 14 stories – and this building became the justification for capping height on S. University at 150 feet.
A relatively small parcel, zoned PUD (planned unit development) was recently *downzoned* by the developer. This same developer proposes a set of multi-family homes on Main Street (at the site of the former Greek Orthodox Church); this property was also zoned PUD, and the plans called for a building over 100 feet tall; the developer has stated that he wants to *downzone* this site to D2, – which fits the area – and build no taller than 60 feet.
These are just the easy ones for me to remember. There have been other instances; not all developers seek to build to the maximum possible envelope.

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By: Timothy Durham http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-194526 Timothy Durham Thu, 07 Feb 2013 18:02:34 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-194526 Are there any recent instances (say, within the past 20 years) where a property developer HAS NOT built to the absolute maximum allowable by the zoning?

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By: Dave Cahill http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-194524 Dave Cahill Thu, 07 Feb 2013 16:59:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-194524 Tom (Whitaker), in #10 above you say: “State law requires that our zoning be based on our master plan.” Could you point me to a statutory reference? I haven’t been able to find one.

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By: Sabra Briere http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-194245 Sabra Briere Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:29:39 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-194245 The discussion about zoning the north side of Huron was extensive. Property owners of the less-developed sites (the lots that are the proposed site of 413 E. Huron) lobbied heavily to have their property zoned at the highest density possible. This concern was listened to – as were the comments from Planning Staff and Planning Commission that public charrettes held by the A2D2 committee and through the Calthorpe process indicated that taller buildings belonged on the Huron corridor.
Council members attempted to reduce the density on this site as well as in the South University area – with a proposed height limit of first 60 feet, then 120 feet for South U (both failed) and a requirement that any structure on E. Huron have a rear setback of 30 feet minimum (approved). These efforts followed earlier efforts to amend the zoning (first vote in April with many amendments; last vote in November).

Members of Council who voted for the compromise results (and who are still on Council): Briere, Taylor, Teall, Higgins, Anglin, Hieftje. Members who voted against the compromise (and still on Council): Kunselman. This vote was the first meeting at which Council member Kunselman was seated after his 2009 election. At the time, he mentioned frequently that he had not been involved in the A2D2 process and earlier votes, and would not vote for the project for that reason. He did support several efforts to reduce density on South U.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-194241 Dave Askins Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:16:02 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-194241 Stephen Kunselman (Ward 3) was the only vote against it when the council considered the zoning package: [Nov. 16, 2009] From that meeting report, it doesn’t look like an amendment on E. Huron was considered explicitly by the council at that meeting.

But earlier that year, on April 6, 2009 the council had explicitly considered E. Huron, but did not weigh D1 against D2; instead, the council considered splitting Huron into two character areas, one of which (which includes the site of 413 E. Huron) had a reduced height limit compared to other D1-zoned properties (150 feet vs. 180 feet). The splitting of the Huron corridor was put forward by Briere. The reduction in the height limit for the one character district was approved over dissent from Derezinski, Greden, Taylor and Higgins.

It was in the South University area where the council explicitly weighed D1 against D2.

But the previous year, the recommendation of a zoning advisory committee was to make that part of E. Huron an interface zone, [.pdf of 2007 recommendations of the downtown zoning advisory committee] which was adopted by the city council on Oct. 15, 2007 with direction to the planning commission that was essentially to resolve the recommendations into ordinance revisions. [Hat tip to Chronicle reader for unearthing the 2007 recommendations.]

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-194228 Alan Goldsmith Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:41:21 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-194228 Found it. It’s all documented very neatly right here: [link]

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By: Alan Goldsmith http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-194225 Alan Goldsmith Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:33:26 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-194225 Question: What current members of Council voted to approve the D1 zoning designation for the north side of Huron? Some of the yes voters are no longer members of Council of course.

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By: Tom Whitaker http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-194019 Tom Whitaker Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:17:52 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-194019 I’ve done some additional research into the origin of D1 on the north side of Huron. The original recommendation coming out of the advisory committees and staff was to zone the north side of Huron, from Fifth Ave. to State, as D2. This would have been entirely consistent with the Downtown Plan which calls for an incremental transition from the higher density urban core to the residential neighborhoods–many of them historic districts–surrounding downtown.

In fact, D2 was adopted in just nearly every other instance of D1 abutting residential zoning. Why the planning commission and council chose to single out this one strip to override the recommendations made in the council-approved report and treat it differently than every other downtown edge is beyond me. The result is an area of downtown where the zoning is not consistent with the master plan. This is a violation of State law, which requires zoning to be based on the master plan–not the whims and personal beliefs of officials, nor the demands of property owners seeking to maximize the development potential of their land.

City Council and planning commission need to act, and act quickly to correct this unequal and unsubstantiated application of the zoning ordinance or this proposed building could be the next University Towers to stick up like a sore thumb, leaving people shaking their heads for decades.

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By: bARBARA cARR http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/01/29/public-speaks-out-on-apartment-projects/comment-page-1/#comment-193795 bARBARA cARR Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:14:17 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105014#comment-193795 All of this discussion of Di and D2 is very sad and too late. Construction “by right” based on zoning approved earlier by our City Council after what we were told was intense and careful consideration, can now be seen as destructive and lacking respect for nearby properties or neighborhoods. Just look at the way The Varsity sticks out to the sidewalk on Huron and has a small setback from the adjacent historic building. I thought we had learned something years ago when the high rise on S. University was approved, but unfortunately our current planners, DDA members, and some councilpersons seem to care only for more density (without parking or exterior amenities) and,perhaps, the resulting taxes.

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