Comments on: AAPS Talk: Contracts Policy, Strategic Plan http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan it's like being there Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:56:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Michiganhunter http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-209132 Michiganhunter Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:13:38 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-209132 Teachers already test their students on a regular basis. At Ann Arbor Open, elementary teachers give a math test at the beginning of the year with progressively more advanced problems on it to assess what the student knows. The students are told not to worry about the test, that it is just to let the teacher know what they need to work on. Net cost to the district? Zero. It is already part of the teacher’s job. If the schools are properly aligning the curriculum to the standards and the teachers are aiming to meet them, that is sufficient. A good principal, whose job it is to evaluate the teachers, can look at the classroom environment, the tests given by teachers, how students perform on those tests, the disciplinary record, etc. and make an evaluation of the teacher’s performance. As pointed out by other posters, the NWEA is not a proper vehicle for teacher assessment. For the reason’s outlined above, it is an unnecessary waste of time as a preliminary assessment of student achievement. The annual cost to run it in a few schools would allow the district to hire three or four more teachers or even more special education aides, thus lowering the student-teacher ratio and actually improving the education level of our students. It is a waste of money.

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By: A2person http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-193385 A2person Sun, 03 Feb 2013 13:18:16 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-193385 Doc, you bring up a very good point. There are many claims by the administration about what the NWEA can do, but I have seen no data whatsoever that administering this test improves achievement in any way.

Please, board of Ed, please…. This is a dubious way to spend precious funds, resources and time. It was a pilot that was never formally assessed, and that has no data to support its ongoing use. The mandate argument doesn’t hold up (see above). You have so many difficult choices to make for next year, regarding budget cuts and resources. This one should be a no-brainer.

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By: DocAnnArbor http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-193224 DocAnnArbor Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:44:57 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-193224 Ms. Stead please back up any argument regarding positive changes for the student or teacher with actual numbers. Are Scarlett and Ann Arbor Open students doing better via assessment or achievement test (chose whichever word you would like to use) than those at Tappen, Slauson, and Clague? They have had at least a year of growth data to look at and compare with MEAP or other scores that are available to the district. This is a loss of money to the district that does not need to exist. The numbers will show you this. Feel free to look at results from Chicago and Seattle as well where the test has been given longer. No evidence of success.

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By: A2person http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-193222 A2person Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:19:51 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-193222 By the way, Christine, I really do appreciate you engaging with people here. I’m hoping other board members and administration are listening as well.

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By: A2person http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-193220 A2person Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:59:44 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-193220 Hmm. Our experience has been very, very different. My kids’ teachers, being professional educators and very skilled, and spending LOADS of time assessing my kids and putting together extremely detailed report cards three times a year, can already tell me where their strengths and weaknesses are. The added standardized testing added nothing to their professional assessments.

What it did do, is take away valuable class time for learning, tie up all the schools’ computers and bandwidth for weeks on end, and put yet even more focus on content-based fact-regurgitation, as opposed to in-depth critical thinking skills.

Our classrooms are narrowing their curriucla and becoming more and more factory-like as testing takes on new and increased importance. Private schools, with their ability to give teachers more autonomy and support project-based, in-depth learning focused on problem-solving, research and critical thinking skills are pulling away the very families that AAPS needs to count on those all-important high test scores (as Annarborparent notes above!). Because as research shows us, standardized tests are really great at measuring socioeconomic status. And that’s about it.

If there are some teachers who find the NWEA useful, then let them have it as an option. But don’t mandate it in all the classrooms where teachers, parents and students hate it. Or give schools and classrooms an opt-out option!!!

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By: Christine Stead http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-193218 Christine Stead Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:39:50 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-193218 From my personal experience, the teacher in my son’s classroom has access to performance data the day of the test, which can then be used to differentiate learning plans. It’s one of several tools that the AAPS is using to help create a more appropriate and individualized learning plan for our students. As a Board member, I’ve seen a couple elementary schools use this test very well – for students. Ultimately that can make for a more effective teacher, but the focus is on students.

This was not rolled out district wide due to cost constraints. We have had enormous cuts each year to address, so we have not been able to roll out everything we need to.

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By: AnnArborparent http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-193217 AnnArborparent Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:25:57 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-193217 @A2person what an excellent and insightful response. You are dead on regarding the issues if the NWEA and the clear docmentation that it was not designed nor standardized for use in teacher evaluation–even if it is only one component of teacher evaluation. This is a local issue and not a state issue this year. There is no justifiable reason for it and I will certainly be using my “choice” vote to put my child in private school where learning is the focus. AAPS has benefitted from the population of students they pull from. That group has the money and resources for private school and I can already see the shifts beginning.

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By: Dave Askins http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-193207 Dave Askins Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:43:43 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-193207 Re: [3] the link in [1]

It worked for from my browser when I first tested it and it still works.

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By: A2person http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-193204 A2person Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:25:42 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-193204 Thanks for responding, Christine. There are some major problems with this, however. First, the NWEA’s own Kingsbury Study Group states that the NWEA MAP test is NOT valid for evaluation of teachers (see [link]) I have the memo as well, if you’d like to see it.

Secondly, if the AAPS is responding to a mandate by Snyder, then why is the NWEA being “piloted” in only two of the middle schools? If it’s a mandate, wouldn’t all middle schools need to be doing it? And high schools?

Third, the public was told over and over that this new NWEA test was for the purpose of testing students, not evaluating teachers. It has become clear that this was never the real reason the test was adopted. This is frustrating, and feels disingenuous.

I agree that focus needs to be toward Lansing as well. But the AAPS can do it’s part. This test does not have a state or national mandate. The new NAEP that’s replacing the MEAP will take care of the beginning and end of year testing need in a year from now. In the meantime, the AAPS should stop this additional, unneccesary waste of resources. Especially in this environment where resources are so scarce. It’s a hard argument to make that we need to increase class sizes, decrease arts education, eliminate busing…. but this redundant TEST is really necessary.

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By: Christine Stead http://annarborchronicle.com/2013/02/01/aaps-talk-contracts-policy-strategic-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-193197 Christine Stead Sat, 02 Feb 2013 13:35:02 +0000 http://annarborchronicle.com/?p=105345#comment-193197 The Tenure Reform legislation passed by Rick Snyder requires standardized testing of student academic performance at least twice a year to evaluate teacher performance, which becomes an increasing part of their evaluation (25% YR1, 40% YR2, 50% YR3). All districts have to comply with this law. Unfortunately, that means that the NWEA or some other test must be in place for the beginning and end of year assessments. If you would like to change the law, please work with your legislators to propose changes. There would likely be a need for a more significant change in legislators to garner enough support to change this law, but that is the path to change it.

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